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Question Constantly CTD's with my current Modlist including sim Settelments

Stahlhelm_TV

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Update 1: Tried to clean the Load order and remove some Mods which where listed as incompatible. (Check Bottom of Post)

Update 2: Added a few Recommended Mods and changed WOTC to esm in the header file which should solve problems(nexus mod comment) now Jammer doesn't Talk to me when i enter concord. Camera looks up to him but no Voice or menu to answer appear. (Check Bottom of Post)

Update 3: I have fixed the Jammer problem by removing WOTC, now i will try to find out if i still encounter CTD's or not. i will updated as soon as i can.


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I have constantly CTD's and i cant seem to fix it, i already tried disabling many mods which are still disabled and i have 98 Mods. i have tried to add the Papyrus lines which where recommended and that didn't help either

List Before: (71 Mods, 80 Plugins) (Load Order Manuall)

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
HUDFramework.esm
NewCalibers.esp
CWWorkshopMaster.esm
Z_Architect.esm
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries_Season2.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
AllSetsExtended.esp
WOTC.esp
WorkshopRearranged.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
SettlementContainers_NoRespawn.esp
DCVendorOverhaulAIO.esp
Ak5C.esp
F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
RU556.esp
AK74M.esp
CBBE.esp
CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes.esp
DOOMGlock.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
RU556Armouryprojectv3.esp
AK74M Stock Options.esp
CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes_DLC_Ammo.esp
AK400.esp
AK400 Calibers.esp
AKM_AKMS.esp
AKM_AKMS_NWPatch.esp
BOUNTIESFORYOU.esp
BetterCompanions.esp
CompanionStatus.esp
Mosin.esp
ManufacturingExtendedFH.esp
ManufacturingExtended.esp
SV-98.esp
SV-98 Calibers.esp
Nexus_PMC.esp
RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
EFF.esp
PD_VisualReload.esp
FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
RainofBrassPetals.esp
Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp
dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
RemingtonModel8.esp
Rusty Face Fix.esp
EPO_LowHDR.esp
BlurKillerComplete.esp
Galac-TactREDUX.esp
Skip New Game Intro.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements.esp
Z_Architect_HomePlate.esp
Z_Extras.esp
Z_CameraAddon.esp
Z_Architect_Extras.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements_DLC.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn.esp
Z_Horizon.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn_DLC.esp
Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp
Z_Horizon_Optional_ShortNaming.esp
Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
Z_Horizon_Diff_Wanderer.esp
Z_Horizon_Mode_Scavenger.esp

List After: (77 Mods, 85 Plugins) (Load Order Manuall)

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
HUDFramework.esm
NewCalibers.esp
CWWorkshopMaster.esm
Z_Architect.esm
AMS.esl
WOTC.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries_Season2.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
SettlementContainers_NoRespawn.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
AllSetsExtended.esp
WorkshopRearranged.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
DCVendorOverhaulAIO.esp
Ak5C.esp
F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
RU556.esp
AK74M.esp
CBBE.esp
CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes.esp
DOOMGlock.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
RU556Armouryprojectv3.esp
AK74M Stock Options.esp
CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes_DLC_Ammo.esp
AK400.esp
AK400 Calibers.esp
AKM_AKMS.esp
AKM_AKMS_NWPatch.esp
BOUNTIESFORYOU.esp
BetterCompanions.esp
CompanionStatus.esp
Mosin.esp
ManufacturingExtendedFH.esp
ManufacturingExtended.esp
AnotherBrickInTheWall.esp
ClassicShacks.esp
Raze My Settlement.esp
VFXAddon.esp
SV-98.esp
SV-98 Calibers.esp
Nexus_PMC.esp
RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp
EFF.esp
PD_VisualReload.esp
FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
ImmersiveVendors.esp
RainofBrassPetals.esp
Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp
dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
RemingtonModel8.esp
Rusty Face Fix.esp
EPO_LowHDR.esp
BlurKillerComplete.esp
Galac-TactREDUX.esp
Skip New Game Intro.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements.esp
Z_Architect_HomePlate.esp
Z_Extras.esp
Z_CameraAddon.esp
Z_Architect_Extras.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements_DLC.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn.esp
Z_Horizon.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn_DLC.esp
Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp
Z_Horizon_Optional_ShortNaming.esp
Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
Z_Horizon_Diff_Wanderer.esp
Z_Horizon_Mode_Scavenger.esp
 
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RayBo

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I have constantly CTD's and i cant seem to fix it, i already tried disabling many mods which are still disabled and i have 98 Mods. i have tried to add the Papyrus lines which where recommended and that didn't help either
List here:

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 HUDFramework.esm
9 9 ArmorKeywords.esm
10 a NewCalibers.esp
11 b SimSettlements.esm
12 c WorkshopFramework.esm
13 d CWWorkshopMaster.esm
14 e Z_Architect.esm
15 f Clean and Simple - All Settlements with Magnificent Spectacle Island.esp
16 10 Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn.esp
17 11 Z_Horizon.esp
18 12 Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn_DLC.esp
19 13 Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp
20 14 AllSetsExtended.esp
21 15 Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements.esp
22 16 WOTC.esp
23 17 WorkshopRearranged.esp
24 18 08_V118_z_Desktop4Clean.esp
25 19 Insignificant Object Remover.esp
26 1a SettlementContainers_NoRespawn.esp
27 1b DCVendorOverhaulAIO.esp
28 1c Z_Architect_HomePlate.esp
29 1d SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
30 1e SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
31 1f Ak5C.esp
32 20 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
33 21 RU556.esp
34 22 AK74M.esp
35 23 SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
36 24 SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries_Season2.esp
37 25 CBBE.esp
38 26 3dscopes.esp
39 27 3dscopes-framework.esp
40 28 Armorsmith Extended.esp
41 29 Better Locational Damage.esp
42 2a CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes.esp
43 2b BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp
44 2c walkers.esp
45 2d DOOMGlock.esp
46 2e Better Perks.esp
47 2f Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp
48 30 Better VATS - 0.75.esp
49 31 WorkshopPlus.esp
50 32 RU556Armouryprojectv3.esp
51 33 SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
52 34 AK74M Stock Options.esp
53 35 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp
54 36 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp
55 37 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp
56 38 CP_Enhanced_Vanilla_Ammo_Boxes_DLC_Ammo.esp
57 39 Better Locational Damage - Ghoul Edition.esp
58 3a EndorsCustomCombatArmor.esp
59 3b EndorsCustomCombatArmor_ChromeSynths.esp
60 3c EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AE.esp
61 3d EndorsCustomCombatArmor_CFA.esp
62 3e AK400.esp
63 3f AK400 Calibers.esp
64 40 AKM_AKMS.esp
65 41 AKM_AKMS_NWPatch.esp
66 42 SG550.esp
67 43 BOUNTIESFORYOU.esp
68 44 BetterCompanions.esp
69 45 CompanionStatus.esp
70 46 Mosin.esp
71 47 M2216.esp
72 48 ManufacturingExtendedFH.esp
73 49 ManufacturingExtended.esp
74 4a SV-98.esp
75 4b SV-98 Calibers.esp
76 4c Mannlicher1905.esp
77 4d Nexus_PMC.esp
78 4e RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp
79 4f 3dscopes-farharbor.esp
80 50 3dscopes-nukaworld.esp
81 51 3dscopes Add+DLC+BMD Sollus91 Custom.esp
82 52 SettlementMenuManager.esp
83 53 EFF.esp
84 54 VimPopManufacturer.esp
85 55 PD_VisualReload.esp
86 56 FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
87 57 Z_Horizon_Optional_ShortNaming.esp
88 58 ImmersiveVendors.esp
89 59 Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
90 5a Z_Extras.esp
91 5b Z_CameraAddon.esp
92 5c Z_Architect_Extras.esp
93 5d Galactac.esp
94 5e FunctionalDisplays.esp
95 5f FunctionalDisplays-AID-Vanilla.esp
96 60 FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL.esp
97 61 Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements_DLC.esp
98 62 BLD - AI Tweaks.esp
99 63 Z_Horizon_Diff_Wanderer.esp
100 64 Z_Horizon_Mode_Scavenger.esp
101 65 FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp
102 66 RainofBrassPetals.esp
103 67 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp
104 68 dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
105 69 RemingtonModel8.esp
106 6a Rusty Face Fix.esp
107 6b EPO_LowHDR.esp
108 6c 3dscopes-m2216.esp
109 6d 3dscopes-mosin.esp
110 6e 3dscopes-servicerifle.esp
111 6f BlurKillerComplete.esp
112 70 Galac-TactREDUX.esp
113 71 Skip New Game Intro.esp
114 72 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
115 73 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

Please see this post. I think it can help.

https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/frequent-crashes-load-order-help.12137/#post-83798

I would dig in more but in my time zone I am at work but I see some similar issues.

like alt-start and Scrap mods, and then WSFW is out of place from my first scan. But, wsfw shouldn’t crash it in this case. :bye

I will be no help when it comes to SS and Horizon, sorry:sorry
 

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Please see this post. I think it can help.

https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/frequent-crashes-load-order-help.12137/#post-83798

I would dig in more but in my time zone I am at work but I see some similar issues.

like alt-start and Scrap mods, and then WSFW is out of place from my first scan. But, wsfw shouldn’t crash it in this case. :bye

I will be no help when it comes to SS and Horizon, sorry:sorry
First of all Thanks for your reply, now i always start a new game and test it so it cant be a corrupt save game, secondly i dont really understand what you mean with alt start i do not have alternative start mods except skip intro where i leave the bathroom and then skip directly to the vault. i made a new save and it crashed while doing the mission "kill the raiders in the Museum" and when i wanted to go to the roof and take the power armor it crashed again.. im really running out of ideas.

I use LOOT to auto sort the load order
 

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First of all Thanks for your reply, now i always start a new game and test it so it cant be a corrupt save game, secondly i dont really understand what you mean with alt start i do not have alternative start mods except skip intro where i leave the bathroom and then skip directly to the vault. i made a new save and it crashed while doing the mission "kill the raiders in the Museum" and when i wanted to go to the roof and take the power armor it crashed again.. im really running out of ideas.

I use LOOT to auto sort the load order

LOOT is good for basics, but you have a complex list - Horizon.esp - the main driving mod of Horizon should be at the bottom... there are also Horizon patches for Sim Settlements to rebalance the food output to be in line with the setting Horizon sets.

Make sure you understand, Horizon is a complete overhaul and will overwrite most everything special with regards to weapons, food, medicine, etc...

The Horizon Z ArchitectSettlements has a specific place - and yours doesn't seem correct. I know on the Horizon page there is a specific location for that - and honestly, he is doing stuff to settlements as well so that Clean and Simple maybe causing issues...

Horizon and BLD will conflict. Some people can run both, but you have it all over the place... AI tweaks are also done by Horizon I think, body parts, NPC's etc...

I have not had good luck with stability with Functional displays...

I used to CTD all the time, even straight vanilla, going out to the rooftop - but I don't anymore with the mods I use...

Honestly. you are running Horizon for the survival aspects of it, but then adding all the overpowered items to benefit you the player - whereas Zanwuil works to balance everything.

I have ran Horizon with SS - and it is just load order... SS, then Horizon, then Horizon SS patch... works fine.

I would try a very stripped down version with Horizon and SS... enjoy the work Zanwuil has put into Horizon.

John
 

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LOOT is good for basics, but you have a complex list - Horizon.esp - the main driving mod of Horizon should be at the bottom... there are also Horizon patches for Sim Settlements to rebalance the food output to be in line with the setting Horizon sets.

Make sure you understand, Horizon is a complete overhaul and will overwrite most everything special with regards to weapons, food, medicine, etc...

The Horizon Z ArchitectSettlements has a specific place - and yours doesn't seem correct. I know on the Horizon page there is a specific location for that - and honestly, he is doing stuff to settlements as well so that Clean and Simple maybe causing issues...

Horizon and BLD will conflict. Some people can run both, but you have it all over the place... AI tweaks are also done by Horizon I think, body parts, NPC's etc...

I have not had good luck with stability with Functional displays...

I used to CTD all the time, even straight vanilla, going out to the rooftop - but I don't anymore with the mods I use...

Honestly. you are running Horizon for the survival aspects of it, but then adding all the overpowered items to benefit you the player - whereas Zanwuil works to balance everything.

I have ran Horizon with SS - and it is just load order... SS, then Horizon, then Horizon SS patch... works fine.

I would try a very stripped down version with Horizon and SS... enjoy the work Zanwuil has put into Horizon.

John
Thanks for your Feedback John! I will try to clean my Load Order a bit more and respect Horizon more, what do you mean by "very stripped down version of SS? less addons for SS or how should i understand that? And what do you recommend to find the perfect load order?
 

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Thanks for your Feedback John! I will try to clean my Load Order a bit more and respect Horizon more, what do you mean by "very stripped down version of SS? less addons for SS or how should i understand that? And what do you recommend to find the perfect load order?

I meant stripped load order and concentrate on SS and Horizon.
 

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I meant stripped load order and concentrate on SS and Horizon.
Alright, i've now Sorted my load order more and tried to look on the mod page for the right load order and this is what i ended up with (check Original Post). Do you see anything i could change more or disable which could cause problems?
 

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Agreed. And this might be useful as a starting point: https://www.simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/sim-settlements-experience-mod-list.11467/

From here you could try adding Horizon, though finding patches or perhaps even doing some manual patching in xEdit might be needed.
I have now checked the Page that VersusXV linked me and i took a few things, i will try it with WOTC because i have changed the header flag to esm which should fix a few problems. If i still encounter crashes i will disable it and try to play without it. If even that not helps then idk tbh.. Thanks for your Feedback again.
 

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Agreed. And this might be useful as a starting point: https://www.simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/sim-settlements-experience-mod-list.11467/

From here you could try adding Horizon, though finding patches or perhaps even doing some manual patching in xEdit might be needed.
Update: Alright i've run into a new problem, i have started a new savegame and now when i enter concord jammer doesn't talk. The camera goes up to look at him but he doesn't talk nor is there a answer menu or something. I have updated the Load Order above.
 

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Okay... Horizon Respawn and Respawn DLC goes all the way to the top of the load order.

After Pipboy flashlight, Z_Horizon … the main file goes before all the Horizon patches and addons!!

... and I think the Settlements / DLC goes at the end.

ESM FILES
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn.esp
Z_Horizon_Loot_Respawn_DLC.esp
….
….

Z_Horizon.esp
Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp
Z_Extras.esp
Z_CameraAddon.esp
Z_Architect_Extras.esp
Z_Horizon_Optional_ShortNaming.esp
Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
Z_Horizon_Diff_Wanderer.esp
Z_Horizon_Mode_Scavenger.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements.esp
Z_Architect_EnhancedSettlements_DLC.esp
Z_Architect_HomePlate.esp

AND THEN....

SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp (VERY LAST - HOW I HAVE PLAYED BEFORE - HORIZON WILL OVERWRITE EVERYTHING!!!!)

Horizon is a complete overhaul... not sure why trying to use New Calibers/etc etc etc... or how New Calibers as an esp is so high...

And not sure if Horizons Enhanced Settlements conflicts with your all sets extended by Neehner…. it seems you have them as I would set... but why modify settlements one way, and then Horizon does something else....

Horizon - VERY MUCH LIKE CONQUEROR - is their own DLC/game within itself... this is an overwrite issue... big changes first, then the little ones... you will have some things by Horizon potentially overwritten by Conqueror - or have Horizon overwrite Conqueror... you have the last one... and I suspect is your problem.

John
 
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