Question Looking for anyone who gets the consistent, reproducible client crash on exit with Conqueror active

[spacefiddle]

EDIT: As this is a known issue, can anyone else experiencing this post here or PM me their load order? I'd like to see if I can figure out what we all have in common.


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I have a number of active savegames. Only one of them has Conqueror *active* but I have not disabled or uninstalled it in any of the others.
In the active Conqueror playthrough, any attempt to exit the game crashes the client. It freezes, only a taskkill will get rid of it. I can exit to the menu, but I can't exit to the desktop at all - not from the menu, not from in the game - without it freezing.
I can save, load, start, exit, etc. any combination using any other saves - but as soon as I load the Conq game, trying to exit the client causes it to freeze.

Normally, when exiting the client, the music and all sounds stop instantly, then the screen is refreshed / cleared.
With this bug, as soon as I select exit to desktop, the mouse pointer freezes, the client becomes unresponsive, I can't minimize or alter screen, and the music / sounds keep playing.
It seems like I've hit some edge case where there's a script that REALLY doesn't want me to go off and leave it alone.

 

[WetRats]

Do you use Fallrim Tools?

If so, could you compare the Active Scripts in this save to an earlier save of the same game?

Another thought. Could you try going into a small interior cell and letting the game run for about half an hour and then attempt a save?

These are just stabs in the dark on my part.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

Know issue and it's a conflict of some sort.
It does not replicate with SS only mods so it's hard to pin down exactly what it is.

 

[spacefiddle]

Know issue and it's a conflict of some sort.
It does not replicate with SS only mods so it's hard to pin down exactly what it is.

Gotcha. If i can dig up any more info, i'll let you know.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

There's been a few reports of it and the only way we're going to narrow it down is by comparing loadorders and finding the mods in common.

I've had this problem for a while now and have to kill the process every time.

Here's my LO

Spoiler: Plugins/LO

# Automatically generated by Vortex
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
Z_Architect.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
AI_Limit_Increase.esl
ArmorKeywords.esm
Loads.esm
ILaserbuff.esp
Gaussbuff.esp
GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl
HUDFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
XDI.esm
PANPC.esm
Z_Horizon.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim.esp
AssaultBladebuff.esp
WVSimSAddon.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
SKKHostileCompanionFramework.esp
rfortaleza2.esp
rfortaleza2-wetsuit1.esp
rfortaleza2-pauldron.esp
rfortaleza2-mk6.esp
rfortaleza2-mk5.esp
rfortaleza2-mk4.esp
rfortaleza2-mk3.esp
rfortaleza2-mk2.esp
rfortaleza2-mk1.esp
OutfitSwitcher.esp
nuka_world_settlements_scrap_addon.esp
Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
WorkshopRearranged.esp
UnlockAllHairstyles.esp
Unbreakable Power Armor Player Only.esp
AdvSettleTurretSet.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Modern Firearms.esp
Synth Overhaul.esp
Synth Overhaul - White Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
Quad_Accelerator.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Toxic Raider Armour.esp
MiscHairstyle.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Cait.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Piper_VanillaOufit.esp
AlysrazaOverlays.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
nuka_world_settlements.esp
BostonFPSFix-NukaWorld.esp
Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp
BostonFPSFixAutomatron.esp
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp
BTA_ForceOpen.esp
CBBE.esp
ChineseStealthSuit.esp
SOTS.esp
CombatZoneRestored.esp
Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
PaladinBaileyRedRocket.esp
Gm Home Plate.esp
highwaysfix.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
X13_ScrapOTron.esp
P90.esp
P90NPC.esp
UitFJ.esp
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
Crafting Mastery - Patch Sim Settlements.esp
Crafting Mastery.esp
SA-SyringerAmmoOverhaul.esp
CROSS_Cybernetics.esp
CSS Ballistic Weave.esp
Dank_LegendaryCrafting.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
DN Music.esp
DNMega.esp
FO4TribalPowerArmor.esp
Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
MTs255.esp
DX_Black_Widow.esp
Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp
Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp
KrissVector.esp
Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
LMBTOverlays.esp
Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
LooksMenu.esp
McMillanCS5.esp
Modern Sidearms.esp
More Where That Came From - Classic.esp
Dank_LegendaryCrafting_AWKCR.esp
Telsabuff.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
GCM.esp
Handmadebuff.esp
HangmansHub.esp
ILaserbuffM.esp
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
Laserbuff.esp
MyCityPlans.esp
Plasmabuff.esp
ProjectBlueprint.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Nukaworld.esp
BloodMoonRaiders.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Automatron.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_FarHarbor.esp
Railwaybuff.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_IntimateSpaces_SirLach.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_SimTowers_JtBryant.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanContest.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
SimSettlementsAddOnPack - RaiderRefugees.esp
AnimChemRedux.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
EFF.esp

It's a lot of work and I'm too lazy to do it

 

[Princess Psychosword]

I joined this forum because I have this exact issue and the person helping on the nexus for conquerors suggested I post the issue here. The exit save does get created but I have to ctrl alt del every time, which is worrisome. This is the first time playing FO4 that I've had this issue, and I don't get this issue when playing saves that don't have Conqueror installed (this is my first time using SS so I can't say if it's specifically an SS issue).

At least now I know it isn't just me. Will follow up.

 

[bashere]

I have the same problem, but it started before I tried this mod and it happens in Skyrim Pretty Special Edition as well.

 

[Princess Psychosword]

Update 11:35pm ET: Well, the driver update seemed to help gameplay, at least it felt better. Sadly, it did not fix the exit save crash issue.

I tried running Skyrim SE a couple years ago and it crashed in an hour. I have Old Skyrim anyways, and while not super stable, it's more stable.

Anyways, I did notice my driver for my Nvidia 1050 is wayyy out of date. I'm updating it now and hoping maybe it will help.
This is my current Load Order, since I saw your updated message (ignore the 1's and 0's I exported it from NMM):
Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCWorkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
EthreonMasterPlan.esp=1
Homemaker.esm=1
SimSettlements.esm=1
WorkshopFramework.esm=1
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp=1
LocalLeaderTweak.esp=1
LocalLeaderTweak-Stores.esp=1
LoveToCraftLegendary_Base.esp=1
UnlockAllHairstyles.esp=1
Weapon Brackets.esp=1
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp=1
Insignificant Object Remover.esp=1
Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp=1
RedRocketReborn.esp=1
WastelandBillboards.esp=1
DD_Wasteland_Children_done_right.esp=1
CCOFO4 - Traits and More Perks.esp=1
3DNPC_FO4.esp=1
Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
FaceMaxson.esp=0
Tactical Thinking.esp=0
EveryonesBestFriend.esp=1
3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp=1
NUKA_WORLD_SETTLEMENTS.esp=1
NUKA_WORLD_SETTLEMENTS_DECAL_ADDON.esp=1
The Collector's Guides.esp=1
NoRailRoadBallisticWeaveCPL.esp=1
BetterOpenSeason.esp=0
My_Minutemen.esp=0
NUKA_WORLD_SETTLEMENTS_NO_COMBINED.esp=1
Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Prydwen.esp=0
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp=1
MilitarizedMinutemen.esp=0
Conquest.esp=1
City of Quincy.esp=0
BostonAirport_WorkshopFix.esp=1
ImprovedBoS.esp=0
ImprovedBoS_FarHarbor.esp=0
AtomicRadio.esp=1
SLR.esp=1
salvagebeacons.esp=1
Armorsmith Nuka World.esp=1
AWKCR - Nuka World.esp=1
LoveToCraftLegendary_Base_NukaWorld.esp=1
Crafting Mastery - Legendary Extras.esp=1
Armorsmith Automatron.esp=1
AWKCR - Automatron.esp=1
LoveToCraftLegendary_Base_Automatron.esp=1
mso_sms.esp=1
Prisoner Shackles.esp=1
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp=1
BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1
SarcasticDragon's Snarky Loading Screens Fallout 4 Edition.esp=1
Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp=1
The Collector's Guides Nuka-World Addon.esp=1
Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp=1
AWKCR - Far Harbor.esp=1
LoveToCraftLegendary_Base_FarHarbor.esp=1
JaneBod.esp=1
JB - DomiRaider.esp=1
JB - MilitaryMommy.esp=1
NoVanillaRadiantDLCLocations.esp=1
Crafting Mastery - Automatron.esp=1
Crafting Mastery.esp=1
LocalLeaderTweak-Crafting.esp=1
Crafting Mastery - Far Harbor.esp=1
Crafting Mastery - Nuka world.esp=1
NanotechWaterpump_FoodWaterHappy.esp=1
Consistent Power Armor Overhaul.esp=0
ImprovedBoS-Automatron.esp=0
PlayerLockpicking.esp=1
NUKA_WORLD_SETTLEMENTS_SCRAP_ADDON.esp=1
DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp=0
Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1
BetterSettlers.esp=1
BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp=1
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1
ScrapHarborUpdate.esp=1
ScrapUpdate.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp=1

 

[MrCJohn]

There's been a few reports of it and the only way we're going to narrow it down is by comparing loadorders and finding the mods in common.

I've had this problem for a while now and have to kill the process every time.

Here's my LO

Spoiler: Plugins/LO

# Automatically generated by Vortex
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
Z_Architect.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
AI_Limit_Increase.esl
ArmorKeywords.esm
Loads.esm
ILaserbuff.esp
Gaussbuff.esp
GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl
HUDFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
XDI.esm
PANPC.esm
Z_Horizon.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim.esp
AssaultBladebuff.esp
WVSimSAddon.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
SKKHostileCompanionFramework.esp
rfortaleza2.esp
rfortaleza2-wetsuit1.esp
rfortaleza2-pauldron.esp
rfortaleza2-mk6.esp
rfortaleza2-mk5.esp
rfortaleza2-mk4.esp
rfortaleza2-mk3.esp
rfortaleza2-mk2.esp
rfortaleza2-mk1.esp
OutfitSwitcher.esp
nuka_world_settlements_scrap_addon.esp
Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
WorkshopRearranged.esp
UnlockAllHairstyles.esp
Unbreakable Power Armor Player Only.esp
AdvSettleTurretSet.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Modern Firearms.esp
Synth Overhaul.esp
Synth Overhaul - White Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
Quad_Accelerator.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Toxic Raider Armour.esp
MiscHairstyle.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Cait.esp
AgemoNewFace(E)Piper_VanillaOufit.esp
AlysrazaOverlays.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
nuka_world_settlements.esp
BostonFPSFix-NukaWorld.esp
Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp
BostonFPSFixAutomatron.esp
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp
BTA_ForceOpen.esp
CBBE.esp
ChineseStealthSuit.esp
SOTS.esp
CombatZoneRestored.esp
Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
PaladinBaileyRedRocket.esp
Gm Home Plate.esp
highwaysfix.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
X13_ScrapOTron.esp
P90.esp
P90NPC.esp
UitFJ.esp
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
Crafting Mastery - Patch Sim Settlements.esp
Crafting Mastery.esp
SA-SyringerAmmoOverhaul.esp
CROSS_Cybernetics.esp
CSS Ballistic Weave.esp
Dank_LegendaryCrafting.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
DN Music.esp
DNMega.esp
FO4TribalPowerArmor.esp
Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
MTs255.esp
DX_Black_Widow.esp
Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp
Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp
KrissVector.esp
Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
LMBTOverlays.esp
Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
LooksMenu.esp
McMillanCS5.esp
Modern Sidearms.esp
More Where That Came From - Classic.esp
Dank_LegendaryCrafting_AWKCR.esp
Telsabuff.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
GCM.esp
Handmadebuff.esp
HangmansHub.esp
ILaserbuffM.esp
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
Laserbuff.esp
MyCityPlans.esp
Plasmabuff.esp
ProjectBlueprint.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Nukaworld.esp
BloodMoonRaiders.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Automatron.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_FarHarbor.esp
Railwaybuff.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_IntimateSpaces_SirLach.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_SimTowers_JtBryant.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanContest.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
SimSettlementsAddOnPack - RaiderRefugees.esp
AnimChemRedux.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
EFF.esp

It's a lot of work and I'm too lazy to do it

I also have this when I do my load order... it seems to occur when I get over 100 mods (plugins) installed. And if I try to find it, it seems to be a different one...

I just started a new install and game last night with Conqueror... with some clothing, better locational damage, raider/SM/Synth/Minutmen overhauls/SS and addon packs, I am sitting at 38mb save file... and just got to Sanctuary.

I do a staged install to avoid conflicts with Pre-war.

No lockups till I installed all the SS/addon's packs and completed with weather and visuals...

Honestly, I don't think it is a mod conflict - I still believe personally, there is a memory/size/allocation issue going on... and think having an external file saved out of Conqueror/SS would alleviate data bloating the save...

My 2 pennies.
John

 

[bashere]

Honestly, I don't think it is a mod conflict - I still believe personally, there is a memory/size/allocation issue going on... and think having an external file saved out of Conqueror/SS would alleviate data bloating the save...

My 2 pennies.
John

I wonder about this myself since I've had the problem outside of this mod and in another game.

 

[Princess Psychosword]

I did notice the save file is fairly large compared to other games.

 

[Princess Psychosword]

So I have an update. I decided to go to Nuka World, since I was sick of the raiders acting as if that was already done (Also wanted that sweet gun; Also this isn't a critique). Well, so I go and defeat Colter and all that. Now, I don't know what it is but I have a different issue.
The game gets stuck when I quicksave. This has never happened before.
However, if I save then do an exit save, the client doesn't crash. It just goes to desktop like it's supposed to. So I guess it's kinda fixed...but quicksave isn't working. I could just not quicksave, which isn't a huge deal, but it is an interesting problem.

 

[Spookthephantom]

I was getting the "exit freeze". Started a new game without the pre-built settlements and all is normal again when quitting to desktop. Only went the non pre-built route as I have the settlement clean and tidy mod installed and the prebuild was floating in the air at Hangman's and wouldn't nuke clean.

 

[nzane]

I also have it, not a big deal for me though, you really should meet my friend SuperF4.

https://stefansundin.github.io/superf4/

 

[Corwin]

Hello guys, any new info on this issue that my limited search-fu abilities missed ?

I've done the staged start, left FO4 run for half a day to init everything and it's still happening.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

Nope, it's just a result of having script heavy mods.
If you have edited the papyrus memory allocation it amplifies this issue because it allows more scripts to stay running.

 

[Lizardo]

Just jumping in to say this also happens to me, although honestly it isn't a big deal. You don't even need to open task manager -- just click in and out of the window until windows detects fallout 4 is not responding, hit "close" and as soon as the progress bar shows, hit "cancel" and it will close immediately.

Someone up above mentioned Better Locational Damage. I'm using it too. At first I wondered if its helmet protection scripts might be the issue, but in an old SS Conqueror save I was using BLD /and/ Nuclear Winter without issue. So pinning down exactly which mod it is... doesn't seem easy.

 

[Corwin]

Thanks.
It irks me that it eats 30% cpu, when it should be exiting.
And yes, I did edit papyrus section.
I'll try and hunt down other script heavy mods in my LO and see if it helps.

p.s. I know it isn't a big deal closing it down by hand ... it just ... just ... well, OCD related I suppose

Edit : I've deactivated Better Locational Damage, Better Explosives Redux, Configurable Minutemen Radiant Quest Limit and picked only 8 pre-built settlements when initializing Conqueror (to get it to finish faster) and the problem went away.

Now to look for a way to see what scripts are in my save games.

 

[MrCJohn]

Thanks.
It irks me that it eats 30% cpu, when it should be exiting.
And yes, I did edit papyrus section.
I'll try and hunt down other script heavy mods in my LO and see if it helps.

p.s. I know it isn't a big deal closing it down by hand ... it just ... just ... well, OCD related I suppose

Edit : I've deactivated Better Locational Damage, Better Explosives Redux, Configurable Minutemen Radiant Quest Limit and picked only 8 pre-built settlements when initializing Conqueror (to get it to finish faster) and the problem went away.

Now to look for a way to see what scripts are in my save games.

Somewhere I found the folder for nexus mod manager where it shows the active scripts and from which mod. You would be amazed that the simplest mod can have scripts attached.

I can give you one that I found intensive in a settlement if you build too many - Better Cooking. Especially in Sanctuary. It converts all the cooking stations in the world to hanging, swinging meat, an assignable work station, etc.

What I am saying is that it doesnt have to be a big mod, or an overhaul that causes issues. Find what has scripts and decide for yourself if you really need it.

Also, people like to run 200+ mods. Yes can be done, but if you keep it 100 or less, you will be more satisfied with the stability.

I know, it's just clothes, outfits, armor, etc.. I use cbbe and build one body shape. I also apply the same body texture for Nora and the settler NPC's. However if you dont, realize for every outfit selection, every body texture difference, in an area with a lot of NPCs, you will also hog down your system because the game has to load and render all those unique items and textures.

It is sometimes the little things you think shouldn't affect your computer and load down the weak game engine (not made for 5yrs later for the vast modding), but it does.

Top end computers dint see it as easily, but when I see hits on my system, I can only imagine what a potato sees.

My 2 pennies for the day.
John

 

[Slb1]

Since April, I have tried/played 4 Conqueror/BoS Liberator games. My experience has been:

• April/May/June - Games 1 and 2: I experienced numerous (at one point almost continuous) Quit freezes, Save freezes, and CTDs after 20 - 30 hrs into each game and eventually stopped playing, see https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/three-situations-need-assisance.9761/
• October - Games 3 and 4: Game 3 started Quit freezing early in the game, but this was fixed by eliminating one old mod, Fallout Loot Overhaul. Game 4 is now playing reasonable well.

What I did between Games 1/2/3 and 4 were:

• Deleted all Nexus and Steam mods, game saves, and Steam FO4 game files including files left after using Steam uninstall
• Reinstalled Steam FO4, and Kinggath’s and Takarazuka's mods after they updated their respective mods in early October (I prefer playing as BoS Liberator)
• Did not install any scrap mods
• Did not install any mods that logically appeared to potentially conflict with SS, RotC, Conqueror and the BoS Faction pack
• After Game 3 started giving me the Quit freeze, did a mod hunt and deleted the old mod Fallout Loot Overhaul, which stopped the freezing see https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/exit-to-desktop-game-freeze.8399/page-4#post-79314 .

As a result, Game 4 is now reasonable stable for me, but I am playing with no DLCs and only 38 mods. After more than 160 hours of play, I have had 15 non-recurring CTDs, no Quit freeze and no Save freezes. I am having other relatively minor problems, but they are probably due to the nature of a work-in-progress mod such as the Conqueror, see https://simsettlements.com/site/ind...at-is-better-part-2-and-more-questions.11531/

Hope this is helpful.