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Researching City upgrade weirdness

holikki

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Since I went through the trouble of writing down all active ones and you never know which ones effect it all, Ill just list everything. I mainly use bethnet and some mods from nexus. The ones from nexus will have (n) in it.

UFo4P
SS 3-in-1
IDEK
Special points (40) (n)
Keep radiants in the commonwealth
Quicktrade (n)
Settlements - no endless gratitude
Elis Armor Compodium
10mm SMG
Lever action reload fix (n)
Combatrifle extend
Huntingshotgun (n)
More smarter companions
Minigun damage increase (n)
Wattz Lazer gun
45 auto pistol
Craftable ammo (n)
Handmade antimateriel rifle
Wasteland Melodys chinese assault rifle
submachinegun dmg fix (n)
Craftable ammo-plus (n)
VCE-armor size conversion
better enemy weapon variety
skip prewar sanctuary
open carry settlers
unlimited jetpack (n)
Scrap dead things (n)
generator overhaul
always mark7 machinegun turret
shaikujins better settlement alerts
realistic death physics
no bus at starlight drive-in
insignificant object remover (n)
limited MM quests
settlement menu manager
SS-teds leader pack

All should be in the same load order as listed
 

holikki

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Just letting you know that the issue still persists. I have no idea what to do anymore. Tried to put IDEK down in load order with other addons but it wont go down.
 

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I honestly have no idea what's causing this. I've tested a hundred times since you've posted the original report - as have most of the testing team and we can't replicate this.

It's got to either be mismatched files (ie. your mod manager is mixing up old SS files with new ones) or a mod conflict.

I can only recommend that anyone experience this post their load order and you all continue to compare until you find a common culprit.
 

Tommmy

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Just noticing this issue with one of my settlements, Outpost Zimonja to be exact. Wouldn't of thought that a specific settlement is the cause. Posted my load order, screencap from MO2. Hope this helps :)
 

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enigman

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Had the same rotational weirdness occur after upgrading 3-in-1 to latest version. First occurred at Sanctuary when I fast travelled there (it was still at foundation level and had not upgraded.) Refreshed City (before I saw this thread) and it came good. Since then I have had Abernathy Farm, Hangman's Alley, Ten Pines all have the same issue after city upgrade to level 1 (none of my current playthrough are higher than level 1.)

In Hangman's Alley's case there was no sign of the city planner's desk so I went into build mode and built a new one and refreshed the city. Desk didn't move to where it should go and no sign of the original desk place but it was not really an issue for me.

I'd just assumed it was my setup as I occasionally have the odd CTD (rare but I still save every few minutes out of habit) - pushing the limits on ESP's and have quite a few ESL's in place.
 

Starfis

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Same as enigman. Weird rotation of parts of Sanctuary even with 3in1 3.3.0. after upgrade to stage 2. Stage 1 was fine. But at 2, crooked everything, then appeared blue man group, light bulbs and my game crashed. I'm going to refresh as suggested. But should this be happening on 3.3.0? I guess I'm going to disable couple of things plots load and try it again.

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ConcealedArmor.esm
Friendly Raider.esl
Knockout Framework.esm
NQAS - BoS Fire Support.esl
NQAS - VaultTec.esl
SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
XDI.esm
3dscopes-replacer.esp
10mm.esp
BTInteriors_Project.esp
DiamondNewVendors.esp
PlayerComments.esp
3DNPC_FO4.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
ENBLightsHDRPatch.esp
SOTS.esp
BTInt_Optimization.esp
CrimeTown.esp
Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp
TrainBar.esp
BetterPublickOccurrences.esp
ImmersiveDrumlinDiner.esp
DeadAirplane.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
NEST_BUNKER_PROJECT.esp
RRTV_HomesAndBunkers_Coastal.esp
Fo4Lore.esp
The Lost Vault.esp
PlaneWreck.esp
Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
RRTV_HomesAndBunkers_Starlight.esp
MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
SS_Addon_PbPP.esp
AtomCatGarage.esp
3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp
3DNPC_FO4Settler_SimSettlements.esp
3dscopes-framework.esp
3dscopes-replacer-addtospawn.esp
Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp
Enhanced Commonwealth Wardrobe.esp
Killable Children.esp
Orphans.esp
Raider Children.esp
ABundleofTape.esp
CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp
ALOOT_Better_CPS.esp
InsideJobs.esp
Ak5C.esp
UFOCrashSite.esp
Tomacuzi9.esp
F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
HandmadeAntiMaterielRifle.esp
SS_AddOn_CbC_AIO.esp
SS Addon Hunter-Gather.esp
LAER.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
WattzLaserGun.esp
ClassicSniper.esp
3dscopes-replacer-classicsniperaddon.esp
M2045MagnumRevolverRifle.esp
ButtonsCompanion.esp
LeeEnfieldNo4MkI.esp
ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
AK74M.esp
llamaCompanionHeather.esp
BullpupBozar.esp
9x39Project.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
WVSimSAddon.esp
Altairp's Animal Farm.esp
Immersive Paint Job Unlocks.esp
Immersive CC WPJ - Vault-Tec.esp
I_CC_WPJ-VT AWKCR Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords-Paint.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
BarefootFootstepSet.esp
Better Cooking Stations.esp
Better_Notes.esp
CBBE.esp
Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp
ImprovedBoS.esp
Combat_Helmet_Illumination 1.2.esp
ConcealedArmor.esp
ConfigurablePowerArmor.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp
CROSS_BreakActionLaser.esp
CROSS_InstituteExpeditionarySuit.esp
CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
CROSS_GoreCrits.esp
CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood.esp
dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
Dirty Raiders Standalone for CBBE.esp
EnclaveX02.esp
FlirtyCommonwealth.esp
IcebreakerCDO-Piper.esp
PlayerComments_IceBreakerCDO-Piper_Patch.esp
EveryonesBestFriend.esp
FlaconOil HD ReTexture_Performance Pack_Part_1.esp
FlaconOil HD ReTexture_Performance Pack_Part_2.esp
FM_Commonwealth_Mashups.esp
FM_Wasteland_Mashups.esp
FOC_NCR_Armors.esp
Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp
Hazmat Suit.esp
Hellfirenew.esp
Hoamaii_SleepTogetherAnywhere.esp
IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
Leaders Of The Commonwealth.esp
LeeEnfield_VWAS.esp
LooksMenu.esp
Military Gorka Suit.esp
ModularVaultSuit.esp
NAC-AE Patch.esp
NAC-FarHarbor.esp
NAC-NukaWorld.esp
NMC Bundle MEDIUM.esp
Non-Lethal Armory.esp
PD_LowerWeapon.esp
PD_VisualReload.esp
PD_VReload_9x39Project.esp
PD_VReload_AK5C.esp
PD_VReload_AK74M.esp
PD_VReload_ClassicSniper.esp
PD_VReload_CROSS_BreakActionLaser.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
PlayerComments_3DNPC_FO4_Patch.esp
PlayerComments_IcebreakerCDO-Settlements_MainVersion_Patch.esp
PlayerComments_UFO4P_Patch.esp
Publick Occurrences Expanded.esp
Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp
RaiderArmorBuffAWCKR.esp
RaiderMashups.esp
Realistic_conversations.esp
SalvageBeacons.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
ShellRain.esp
SOTS_AWKCR_AS_Patch.esp
SR_VWAS.esp
STRAC Hats.esp
Swinging Meat Bags.esp
TheKite_VTS.esp
TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp
TrueGrass.esp
VisibleWeapons.esp
Wasteland Clothing Pack.esp
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
WhatsYourName.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ENBLightsHDR_ELFX.esp
StartMeUp.esp
PlayerCommentsStartMeUpNDPPatch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Load order is terrible because I still don't fully understand how to move esps around in that system, but the game runs fine.
 
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Mark Godec

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Getting this same issue. Started in Greygarden with an oddly rotated ladder before the update. However after it upgraded to Level 2 the city has lost almost all functionality. The ladder is unusable and doing the Local Plot Refresh did not resolve the walls and pathways being off kilter. I had to store and redeploy the City Manager because it was placed at such an odd angle I could not see the monitor when my character sat down.

Same issue occurred in Tenpines Bluff. There the desk is unusable as it's in an increadibly awkward position. It'd be nice to have a refresh built city upgrades rather than have to destroy my settlements to correct the awkwardly placed structures this glitch is giving me.

# Automatically generated by Vortex
*Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
*HUDFramework.esm
*SpringCleaning.esm
*SimSettlements.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*3DNPC_FO4.esp
*Fusion Gun.esp
*3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
*B84sThemedResidentials.esp
*F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
*SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Defences_Brae.esp
*ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
*WattzLaserGun.esp
*AtomicRadio.esp
*home_improvement_all.esp
*WVSimSAddon.esp
*WV2_SimSAddon.esp
*Altairp's Animal Farm.esp
*CurieFix.esp
*Deeper Thoughts - Expressive Curie.esp
*EveryonesBestFriend.esp
*IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp
*morevaultrooms.esp
*OWR.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_SKPatch.esp
*RepairSanctuary.esp
*SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
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*SimSettlements_AddOnPack_SimTowers_JtBryant.esp
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*th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp
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*th1nkEyeBot-CheatRecipesAiO.esp
*th1nkEyeBot-WeightlessMiscModsAiO.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp



 

McKaby

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I had this on my last game (started middle of last month, had to remove a weather mod that killed the graphics) and then got settlement stuff spawning on me on interior loading.

I had assumed it was to do with fast travel using Cheat Terminal (since I was at the time figuring out that weather bug.)

My current load order (which I am, going through now and pulling a few things) is:
 

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Mark Godec

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I tried destroying existing messed up settlements like Tenpines Bluff and starting from level 0, but the new town structures are generating crooked at random more than they did when I first built them.



 

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city refresh fix that for u?
 

Mark Godec

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Refresh does not seem to do anything but refresh actual plots. The city plan itself for Level 0 does not seem to refresh, or if it does it does not resolve the crooked build. I'm in the process of doing a reinstall of the Three in One pack to see if that helps.
 

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ok if you can ,could you post your load order here .
Kinggath can compare it with others and help track this problem down
 

Mark Godec

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Mod Order and I have a dropbox link to my most recent save if you want that. I presume I could PM it if it's useful for reproduction.

Reinstalling the 3 in 1 mod did not resolve the issue.

# Automatically generated by Vortex
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*HUDFramework.esm
*SpringCleaning.esm
*SimSettlements.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*3DNPC_FO4.esp
*Fusion Gun.esp
*3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
*B84sThemedResidentials.esp
*F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
*SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Defences_Brae.esp
*ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
*WattzLaserGun.esp
*AtomicRadio.esp
*home_improvement_all.esp
*WVSimSAddon.esp
*WV2_SimSAddon.esp
*Altairp's Animal Farm.esp
*CurieFix.esp
*Deeper Thoughts - Expressive Curie.esp
*EveryonesBestFriend.esp
*IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp
*morevaultrooms.esp
*OWR.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_SKPatch.esp
*RepairSanctuary.esp
*SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
*settleobjexpandpack.esp
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*th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp
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*th1nkEyeBot-CheatRecipesAiO.esp
*th1nkEyeBot-WeightlessMiscModsAiO.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
 

uituit

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thanks :) if kinggath needs your save he will send u a msg :)
 

Mark Godec

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On a hunch I went digging and found the Refresh Settlement from the plan menu, this fixes the bad builds. However it does seem the structures still build incorrectly the first time.
 

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glad refresh fixed that up for u:)

the weird angles KG is still trying to find the why
 

Aldjeron

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Same issue here.

My load order uploaded..yes its a crazy amount of mods but all work good so far :D

Refreshing via city plan as I type....
 

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Pasza

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Hello,
I have the same issue with Sanctuary at level 1 and refreshing the city does not help.

UPDATE: this seems to happen for every upgraded city - now the Castle is affected as well.

My load order:
0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 HUDFramework.esm
10 a SettlementKeywords.esm
11 b SimSettlements.esm
254 FE 0 SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
12 c Armorsmith Extended.esp
13 d def_inv_scrap_en.esp
14 e Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
15 f LongerPowerLines3x.esp
16 10 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
17 11 hdreworkedprojectrevised.esp
18 12 BetterSettlers.esp
19 13 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
20 14 P99.esp
21 15 SalvageBeacons.esp
22 16 SettlementMenuManager.esp
23 17 SimSettlements_XPAC_IndustrialRevolution.esp
24 18 Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp
25 19 SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
26 1a SimSettlements_XPAC_RiseOfTheCommonwealth.esp
27 1b StartMeUp.esp
 
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Revan

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Hello, hope my load order helps a bit

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 HUDFramework.esm
10 a SimSettlements.esm
11 b LooksMenu.esp
12 c Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp
13 d EveryonesBestFriend.esp
14 e 3dscopes-framework.esp
15 f 3dscopes-replacer.esp
16 10 3dscopes-replacer-addtospawn.esp
17 11 Companion Infinite Ammo.esp
18 12 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
19 13 SettlementMenuManager.esp
20 14 EasyHacking.esp
21 15 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
22 16 SurvivalOptions.esp
23 17 K9TacticalHarness.esp
24 18 SuperAffinity.esp
25 19 NoAffinityCooldown.esp
26 1a EasyLockpicking.esp
27 1b DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp
28 1c BrighterSettlementLights.esp
29 1d AllSetsExtended.esp
30 1e Quick Save.esp
31 1f Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
32 20 Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
33 21 Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp
34 22 FP_SimSettlements-Leaderpack.esp
35 23 Armorsmith Extended.esp
36 24 EAMR.esp
37 25 Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp
38 26 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
39 27 DLCWeaponsinCW.esp
40 28 Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
41 29 Vivid Waters.esp
42 2a ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetter+DEF_INV.esp
43 2b def_inv_scrap_en.esp
44 2c ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp
45 2d My_Minutemen.esp
46 2e F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
47 2f Modern Weapon Replacer - Service Rifle Redux.esp
48 30 ColtDeltaElite_Standalone.esp
49 31 SimHomestead.esp
 
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