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Question Personal Guard stuck

aSemioticGhost

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I have four members in my personal guard. Twice, they've gotten stuck somewhere and won't rally to me.
The first time, when I was attacking Ten Pines. Only one of them showed up, and she got killed. The other members showed up afterward.
The second time just happened. I'm about to start Unwelcome Guests (At Starlight), and my personal guard are stuck in Oberland Station. After checking a few things, I tracked them down and they're standing in a row, looking like they're watching something. But there's nothing to see. They don't respond to any commands, though it looks like I can manage them.

I'd prefer not to do Unwelcome Guests without my Guard (as my character build is focused on crafting and kit-ing them out).
 
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I added this to the Guard consolidation thread as this is the second report of this issue.
 
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Okay, I am playing again and it just happened.
After Commands: Follow
Distance Medium
aggression: engage

so, give mauls quest to find doggies, I went to Ten Pines. I told my guard to hold position. I got the dogs nearby, and fast traveled. The guard are stuck around Ten Pines, and haven’t moved in a bit (tracker says, at least)
 
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When I issued rally commands (either immersive, or instant), the guard ignored them. Later on, on a visit to TenPines again, they started following again. Three of them at least. The fourth took another visit to TenPines to be convinced to get back to work

as I think about this, I think that Dogmeat also stalled out when they were stuck.
 
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I'm not sure if this is related, but it's awfully strange and something I've never seen happen in all of my years playing bethesda games. After the latest slew of SS updates the AI combat is borked inside of interior cells. Worldspace seems fine, but as soon as you initiate combat in interior cells, all NPCs become unable to move. Companions and enemy NPCs. They'll shoot and fight, but won't move around the navmesh. Only occurs after the first combat takes place. They work fine before that.

Worldspace seems fine however. Haven't the slightest idea what's going on. Tried a completely different character save file and the same thing occurred as soon as I went into an interior cell. Came back out into the worldspace and everything was working again.

Only thing that's changed in my load order is updates to the usual SS stuff including workshop framework. No new mods. No combat AI mods installed.

Anyone else seeing this?

Edit: Also Willie One Eye is now apparently able to cap mo fos through solid concrete. He killed basically everyone in the corvega assembly plant while I was troubleshooting my current issue. Seems a bit excessive. Heads exploding everywhere. Same thing happened with ghouls in the supermarket. He has become the all seeing one eye of Lexington inside and out it would seem.
 
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This came up in testing but only on full LO. We couldn't replicate it with minimal LO.
Can you post your LO so we can see if you have mods in common.
 
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Bit out of order at the moment as I was messing around with load order before giving up and calling it quits.

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HUDFramework.esm
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Yagisan_SSSL_Quick_Fill_Settlements.esl
Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement.esl
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AMS.esl
Arbitration - Resources.esm
Glock86.esl
HandmadeAntiMaterielRifle.esl
TrueStormsFO4.esm
CityAmbience.esl
BerettaM9FS.esl
CROSS_CoA.esl
CROSS_Wasteland_Ronin.esl
ClassicSuperSledge.esl
GraveDigger.esl
GraveDigger - Gravestones.esl
ImmersiveTeleportation.esl
JUMP PADS!!!.esl
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Mors Sit Anywhere.esl
PowerArmorBackpacks.esl
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ThrowMoneyAtSimSett.esl
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XDI.esm
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Crimsomrider's Sorted Keys.esl
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ActivateLongnecks.esl
OP_HomePlateFullSettlement.esl
WorkshopFramework.esm
SimSettlements_Patch_Nukaworld.esl
Crimsomrider's Illusive Man's Eyes.esp
PlayerComments.esp
PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp
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301_settlement_DC.esp
FLORA - The Fungal Forest.esp
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3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
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WRVR.esp
Galac-TactREDUX.esp
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SimpleLiving.esp
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Hazmat Suit.esp
Integration - Reduced Loot.esp
155mm Howitzer M1.esp
treasure_bridgeway.esp
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MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
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Liberator.esp
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LString_Bow.esp
MREs.esp
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AEWS_NukaWorldPatch.esp
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AutoEat.esp
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CompanionStatus.esp
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EasyHacking.esp
EnclaveX02.esp
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FRAGGED.esp
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Fatigues Extended - Gunner LL Patch.esp
Give Me That Bottle.esp
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Harness-calyps.esp
HoloTime.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
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SWG.esp
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Vertibird Loadout Overhaul.esp
Weapon Rack Extended.esp
Weapons of Fate.esp
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
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AlienAssaultRifle.esp
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Rangergearnew.esp
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SettlementCorpseCleanerAutomatron.esp
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CAPA.esp
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SubmersiblePowerArmorRedux.esp
M2045MagnumRevolverRifle.esp
LeeEnfieldNo4MkI.esp
ButtonsCompanion.esp
FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_UltimateDefenses_SirLach.esp
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Heavy BoS.esp
NWS_Barbara.esp
StealthSuitDrk.esp
RU556.esp
MTs255.esp
VTO Redux.esp
ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
MJC_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
PCDugBuildAWall.esp
RegsPrefabs.esp
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Armory Door.esp
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CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
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CompanionKellogg.esp
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Hellfirenew.esp
HuntingRevolver.esp
LAER Automatron Weapons.esp
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SKKScrapper.esp
SalvageBeacons.esp
SettlementCorpseCleanerFarHarbor.esp
StoreAllJunk_SeasonPassEdition.esp
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YouAreSPECIAL.esp
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Scopes.esp
xce.esp
AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp
FactoryAddOn.esp
HandsOff.esp
Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
OWCaD.esp
TheFridge.esp
Ambient Wasteland.esp
PlungerGun.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
QuickTrade.esp
Crimsomrider's Pre-War Workbenches.esp
location merges.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
ProjectBlueprint.esp
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ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Automatron.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_FarHarbor.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Nukaworld.esp
quicktrade-push-conq-patch.esp
StartMeUp.esp
Yagisan_SSSL_Red_Rocket_Settlements_Generic_Patch.esp
 
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I am having the same issue as Eldias. Neither enemies nor allies will move in interior cells after combat begins. Worldspace is unaffected.

If I run SS by itself, this issue is resolved. If I run my entire Mod List without SS, the issue is resolved. If I run SS with any other mod (seemingly) then the issue returns. My guess is SS makes an Combat AI edit that only shows in interior cells. I run SS Conq as well but the issue is only with SimSettlements.esm, but it's possible that with Mod Organizer that SS Conq makes an edit to the master file?

Another note, the bugged AI's will shoot a gun and throw grenades, but will NOT melee attack. I can stand directly in front of them and have a staring contest.

Edit: I added the AI increase optional file but no help

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DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
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NAC.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
SimSettlements.esm
Z_Architect.esm
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SKKFastBOS.esp
RaiderOverhaul.esp
MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
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FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
Third Rail Nightclub Update.esp
GoodneighborExpanded.esp
SOTS.esp
Immersive_Lexington.esp
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Minutemen Liberators - MilMin.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
Weapon Rack Extended.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
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UitFJ.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
Campsite.esp
Mors Sit Anywhere.esl
PA-Quick Animations.esp
VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem.esp
VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem - FarHarbor.esp
VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem - NukaWorld.esp
TabsMissingFix_DLC_WW_CW.esp
OutfitSwitcher.esp
EFF.esp
ModdableRobotSettlers.esp
NAC-FarHarbor.esp
NAC-NukaWorld.esp
SAST_NAC Commonwealth Patch.esp
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Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp
Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp
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VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
HoloTime.esp
WheelMenu.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
Journal.esp
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
UsefulCrank.esp
new_Minutemen_General_Armor.esp
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
CROSS_Cybernetics.esp
CROSS_Jetpack.esp
CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp
EsturkDogMeat_Skins.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
GunnersPlazaInterior.esp
ImmersiveHubCity.esp
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ImmersiveBeantown.esp
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PushAwayCompanions.esp
SleepOrSave.esp
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ProjectValkyrie.esp
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NoVanillaRadiantDLCLocations.esp
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ImmersiveDrumlinDiner.esp
DocDrumlin.esp
CombatZoneRestored.esp
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Gas Masks of the Wasteland.esp
Gas Mask Hardcore Drop Rate.esp
Gas Mask NPC.esp
StartMeUp.esp
Z_Horizon.esp
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Z_Horizon_CPAM.esp
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JamesHorizonCoastalCottage.esp
JamesHorizonCountyCrossing.esp
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JamesHorizongraygarden.esp
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JamesHorizonOberlandStation.esp
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JamesHorizonSunshineTidings.esp
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JamesHorizonTenpinesbluff.esp
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JamesHorizonWarwickHomestead.esp
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Vic's Merged Patch.esp
tempfile2.esp
 
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