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Inquiry on our boy Jake (romance spoilers beware)
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PlacidPlatypus
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Ok I have come here to ask other Jake lovers and people who've made it past Runners and Gunners, which was the last main mission I did before I had to restart (For some reason Fusion girl clothing .tri files and bodygen are not getting along with my game and the buffout errors were insane even after turning off bodygen). Does Ch2 flirting ever feel less like Jake is 'just not that into you'? Cause his reaction to my SoSu successfully passing the first charisma/flirt check felt like a bucket of cold water dumped on my head. If he were a real guy, I would have gotten professional and platonic real fast. Like I'm cool with a less formulaic relationship than vanilla because that's one of the things I love about and has me so addicted to this mod; these characters all have a breath of life to them unrivaled by anything I've ever played by Bethesda. They are unquestionably (my definition of god tier) Bioware level, even side characters have so much to them. I'm so grateful to the devs that made this mod and were kind enough to hear out the romance request, but I don't want to have a romance that feels like I have to emotionally "wear the man down" into the man in to loving my SoSu. Any more perspective without spoilers would be really really appreciated.
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Yes. You will have another opportunity to flirt with him, more relationship building, and a confirmation line at the end of CH 2 if you selected all flirt options for him. Will not give specifics because spoilers.
That being said, Jake lovers are still chomping at the bit for more time with our boy. Obviously the mod’s focus isn’t romance, so we make our own! Check out Archive of Our Own for fanfics. I have my own linked on my signature. And if you’re interested in more Jake content, DM me!
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Thank you for the perspective, @veelynnlove! I needed my fellow fangirls and guys on this one. All the interactions with Jake have such a nice flow and that flirt just felt like a record scratch even though I passed the check. I just didn't want to be barking up the wrong tree, ya know?
Seriously true, I'm really excited to have more of SS2 to play. It's just so well done! Laughing, tearing up or panicking, I'm so loving this mod. Not the first time I will say it or the last, thank goodness for fanfiction, lol! I've been enjoying yours, your SoSu is so adorable. Her messing with Aiden was cracking me up!! I'm trying to make sure I don't read past what I haven't played so it's slow going but thank you for writing it, needed to commiserate with Carmen cause sitting in the church drinking after that mission was a mood.
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Remember Jake is very concerned he isnt your character. You can murder legions of raiders without a moral blip of conscience. Your character acting just makes things happen. More powerful than a speeding bullet, etc. Heck your even the head of the new national identity that is emerging from the 'Wealth. (Seriously we are such a bad guy)Thank you for the perspective, @veelynnlove! I needed my fellow fangirls and guys on this one. All the interactions with Jake have such a nice flow and that flirt just felt like a record scratch even though I passed the check. I just didn't want to be barking up the wrong tree, ya know?
Seriously true, I'm really excited to have more of SS2 to play. It's just so well done! Laughing, tearing up or panicking, I'm so loving this mod. Not the first time I will say it or the last, thank goodness for fanfiction, lol! I've been enjoying yours, your SoSu is so adorable. Her messing with Aiden was cracking me up!! I'm trying to make sure I don't read past what I haven't played so it's slow going but thank you for writing it, needed to commiserate with Carmen cause sitting in the church drinking after that mission was a mood.
Some folks arent too perceptive when someone is flirting / interested. I put Jake in that camp. Not wearing him down so much as just reminding him we think he is amazing and would like something (as Heather says) a little more physical. Thats how I read the occasional mention. Then your just his friend and he can decide how he feels one way or another. Either way its ok 'cause <3 Jake.
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That is a great point @Skywise001 also headcanon accepted, lol. He does strike me as that type too. I’m sweet as pie to him. Kind of hard not to be, because he’s a cinnamon roll if ever there was one. Obviously he’s taken care of himself this long but it’s hard to resist being protective of him (and other SS2 characters you encounter) precisely because of how many ugly situations you go through in the game as well as how powerful physically and influentially your character can become. Your post has made me think of several times he does seem pleasantly surprised when you’re not down on him about a simple mistake or when you say something nice and or appreciative of him. So I think you might be on to something there, lol.
100% agree. That’s exactly what I was getting at by asking if there’s a reason to keep knocking on the romance door so to speak. I mean he is perfect romance material but I’d rather keep things platonic than make him uncomfortable. So it’s good to know there’s a reason to try flirting again. Thanks for sharing your perspective it’s great food for thought
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That first flirt option confused me a bit too, but it is the limitations of the player's voice lines - especially the often specific flirty lines. The dialogue has to be altered to fit the player's voice lines, so it's a puzzle challenge to get it all to sound like natural conversations.
And yeah, it's nice to have a slow romance development. I think it'd be really bad to put him through the stress of having to handle a romance (especially when it wasn't even his idea) when all this is going on. Not just the grand adventure, revolution, and wartime - but also his reason for even being a part of it; his quest to find his kid. So it's nice to keep things platonic until it's time to holster the rifle and settle down, give him the patience he deserves.
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Ooh what if you meet his X and fall for her? We could have Days of Our Fallout. :DThat first flirt option confused me a bit too, but it is the limitations of the player's voice lines - especially the often specific flirty lines. The dialogue has to be altered to fit the player's voice lines, so it's a puzzle challenge to get it all to sound like natural conversations.
And yeah, it's nice to have a slow romance development. I think it'd be really bad to put him through the stress of having to handle a romance (especially when it wasn't even his idea) when all this is going on. Not just the grand adventure, revolution, and wartime - but also his reason for even being a part of it; his quest to find his kid. So it's nice to keep things platonic until it's time to holster the rifle and settle down, give him the patience he deserves.
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@veelynnlove, @Skywise001, and @General Ilene: Thank you all so much!! You folks have really made me feel a lot better I really appreciate all your heartfelt and thoughtful responses. Really given me a chance to reexamine my take thus far. Also so nice to be able to interact with Jake's sweet supportive fan base.That first flirt option confused me a bit too, but it is the limitations of the player's voice lines - especially the often specific flirty lines. The dialogue has to be altered to fit the player's voice lines, so it's a puzzle challenge to get it all to sound like natural conversations.
And yeah, it's nice to have a slow romance development. I think it'd be really bad to put him through the stress of having to handle a romance (especially when it wasn't even his idea) when all this is going on. Not just the grand adventure, revolution, and wartime - but also his reason for even being a part of it; his quest to find his kid. So it's nice to keep things platonic until it's time to holster the rifle and settle down, give him the patience he deserves.
@General Ilene: Oh, you are so right there. I have no idea how Sirick has crafted such an amazing story with the existing player lines. I'm continually surprised by what he is able to make work with that limitation. Like talk about writing an epic adventure with one hand tied behind your back! He's still really knocked it out of the park and it's so exciting to look forward to what else the SS2 team has in store for us! No kidding, between what the SoSu and Jake have been through between the vanilla storyline and his backstory, whether that is together as a couple or as friends, the poor things both deserve a happy ending and a serious vacation!
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Ive really become attached to the folks here. Its why I make sure to drop by and post a meme each day to entertain people here :D
Yes, I believe I became slightly jaded toward Jake during the first flirt situation. My ego did not react well to being rejected. Any other companion, warships the ground you walk on. It really hurt my feelings and pretty much ended any chance of romance during that playthrough.That first flirt option confused me a bit too, but it is the limitations of the player's voice lines - especially the often specific flirty lines. The dialogue has to be altered to fit the player's voice lines, so it's a puzzle challenge to get it all to sound like natural conversations.
And yeah, it's nice to have a slow romance development. I think it'd be really bad to put him through the stress of having to handle a romance (especially when it wasn't even his idea) when all this is going on. Not just the grand adventure, revolution, and wartime - but also his reason for even being a part of it; his quest to find his kid. So it's nice to keep things platonic until it's time to holster the rifle and settle down, give him the patience he deserves.
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I liked Jake's reply either way. It feels more natural than everyone wanting to join your harem. I wonder if thats the anime influence. They dont want to lock you out of a romance option just because you pledged eternal love to someone else. But then it is fantasy.
I love your memes; several have had me laughing through tears. Please keep them coming! And thank you!
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I can completely get that. Now you have me wondering if maybe that’s some of what I was feeling too, I’d have to self analyze a bit more. I was definitely not into the idea of flirting with him again as it seemed at best unwanted and at worst offensive to him. Which is why I had to come here and ask for some perspective, lol. Very insightful of you to understand so clearly what you were feeling! He keeps a lot to himself and getting him to share about himself is like pulling teeth. So I wasn’t expecting him to be “omg I love you” but something a little nicer than “I didn’t mean it like that!” Like damn dude, do I have cooties?! Yes sir, I will 100% back-off but we’re friends, the least you can do is let a girl down easy don’t you think?! Especially when emotions were already running high after rushing around the commonwealth to find him and then to see how badly they had hurt him. Really wanted to untie Jake and then walk in the other room and shoot Berman’s balls off. Still planning to the first chance I get
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Well, the conversation was like this:I can completely get that. Now you have me wondering if maybe that’s some of what I was feeling too, I’d have to self analyze a bit more. I was definitely not into the idea of flirting with him again as it seemed at best unwanted and at worst offensive to him. Which is why I had to come here and ask for some perspective, lol. Very insightful of you to understand so clearly what you were feeling! He keeps a lot to himself and getting him to share about himself is like pulling teeth. So I wasn’t expecting him to be “omg I love you” but something a little nicer than “I didn’t mean it like that!” Like damn dude, do I have cooties?! Yes sir, I will 100% back-off but we’re friends, the least you can do is let a girl down easy don’t you think?! Especially when emotions were already running high after rushing around the commonwealth to find him and then to see how badly they had hurt him. Really wanted to untie Jake and then walk in the other room and shoot Berman’s balls off. Still planning to the first chance I get
"Thanks for coming to get me, it means a lot."
"You mean a lot to me too."
"Oh, I didn't quite mean it like that but, uhm... thanks, heh."
He was thanking the player for being such a good friend to come and get him, him feeling guilty for getting the Gunners involved and making it so dangerous to even try and find him. As he says after meeting Lupe: "Thanks again, you're a real friend."
So to have the player say flirtatiously that he means a lot to them, caught him off guard. I don't see that as a rejection, just him being surprised and trying to keep it brief with a shy "thanks" since... well, there's a lot going on, and it wasn't a good time to be taking flirtation seriously (heck, he probably didn't believe it was serious, what with him still being surprised at the second flirt) - especially with Aiden literally interrupting and preventing any further discussion...
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It has probably been mentioned before in these seven pages, but Jake might also be carrying a torch for his "ex"-wife, which we don't know much about. Either way, it looks like you'll have to be patient through Chapter 3 for a spark to fly.
And for all the gushing about the plot of SS2, which is pretty good, I see as many forced bunts as in the vanilla game. A big one is why a woman would pack up and leave her husband in a fairly safe community without a word for parts unknown. This isn't like hopping a bus to the next big town. A nice safe bus in a nice safe, civilized nation. I figured Jake came from Kentucky, or at the most Tennessee. If they came from TEXAS, well... that's just insane, and makes no sense at all. Even from Kentucky, what would possess a woman to head off into the wild deadly yonder - past relatively safe spots along the way - to Somewheresville? Who would say, "I know! I'll go to the east coast where... more missiles hit, and there are probably still radiation issues. And Raiders. And Gunners. And Super Mutants. And monsters. Big monsters. And I've heard of things called Synths killing everyone too. But there's rumor of one or two big cities out there, maybe three. That nearly got wiped out, or did. Hm. So......... yeah, let's do this!" Not to mention, how many big, well guarded, remotely safe caravans are there between here and Somewheresville?
With every story, there must be more to it or... well, that's a curious deal, and you take it with everything else that the Fallout world hands you with a shrug and a wink.
And for all the gushing about the plot of SS2, which is pretty good, I see as many forced bunts as in the vanilla game. A big one is why a woman would pack up and leave her husband in a fairly safe community without a word for parts unknown. This isn't like hopping a bus to the next big town. A nice safe bus in a nice safe, civilized nation. I figured Jake came from Kentucky, or at the most Tennessee. If they came from TEXAS, well... that's just insane, and makes no sense at all. Even from Kentucky, what would possess a woman to head off into the wild deadly yonder - past relatively safe spots along the way - to Somewheresville? Who would say, "I know! I'll go to the east coast where... more missiles hit, and there are probably still radiation issues. And Raiders. And Gunners. And Super Mutants. And monsters. Big monsters. And I've heard of things called Synths killing everyone too. But there's rumor of one or two big cities out there, maybe three. That nearly got wiped out, or did. Hm. So......... yeah, let's do this!" Not to mention, how many big, well guarded, remotely safe caravans are there between here and Somewheresville?
With every story, there must be more to it or... well, that's a curious deal, and you take it with everything else that the Fallout world hands you with a shrug and a wink.
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Thank you for the clarification and correction! Sorry, looks like I was really paraphrasing him wrong. What you posted sounds better than what my brain apparently misinterpreted, lol. I thought it was just “I didn’t mean it like that” and Aiden interrupted or Algernon came back. My mistake
I haven’t gotten to the second flirtation yet so I have no perspective there. Excited to hear the correct thing soon, lol!
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Good point! My entirely uneducated guess is she fell for someone else and left to be with them. Maybe a merc passed through their settlement that was headed up to the Commonwealth and something drove her to pack up and go be with that person or group. I think it’s been theorized before but maybe she joined the gunners? Also didn’t Algernon have Berman and Wise looking for Jake before the Comm hub? That’s when Berman mistook Sole for the guy they were looking for before we meet the Ron for the first time. I always guessed they were originally hunting for Jake for some unknown reason. Hopefully we’ll get to know the truth in the next few months.
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I caught a bit of that, and I'm keen to find out just what the heck is up with that entire scenario, because it's one big black hole. I'm as confused as Jake.
I puzzled over why Berman and Wise were looking for the AS'M salesman too. It may well have something to do with a certain ex, or... well, hopefully it won't be too long before a big Chapter drops. For those of us who aren't interested in getting sweet on Jake, I'm also curious as to what his destiny is with his family.
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oh absolutely. Romancing Jake is just one aspect of the amazing whole amazing story that is SS2. It's going to be a nice extra dimension to the character that we've come to love, but definitely want to know the rest of the story and what's going on. It's like SS2 overall is a fantastic dinner served in several courses and then romancing Jake is like dessert; It's optional but hopefully sweet, lol.