Question WS+ 1.0.12 cures all rads. Intentional?

[Unknown Zombie]

I'm using workshop plus 1.0.12 and every time I enter workshop mode I'm completely cured of rads. Even if I turn off the invulnerability option in WS+ settings I still come out of workshop mode with all rads cleansed.

I don't like this at all. It really neuters the early game in survival mode. I don't mind being invulnerable while actively building, but getting a free cure just because I popped into workshop mode to craft a couch to rest on ruins the fun.

Thinking that maybe it's always worked this way and I'm just crazy and never noticed, I temporarily downgraded to 1.0.11 to test. I do not get cleansed of rads when using workshop mode with 1.0.11.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

Nevermind; I looked at the changelog on github and see that the change was intentionally added to flight mode.

I play survival mode exclusively, and so I almost always have some amount of rads because using rad-away is heavily penalized. Yes, I have had the death-on-workshop bug sometimes, but I don't think that it occurs often enough to make me feel like this tradeoff is worthwhile. It feels too cheaty.

I'll be going back to 1.0.11 for now.

Is there a compromise? When entering flight mode could the mod fetch the character's rads actorvalue, store that in a variable, and once workshop mode is exited reapply those rads?

 

[msalaba]

Is there a compromise? When entering flight mode could the mod fetch the character's rads actorvalue, store that in a variable, and once workshop mode is exited reapply those rads?

Its possible. Open a new issue on the WS+ git with your request. Maybe Kinggath will add it.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

Its possible. Open a new issue on the WS+ git with your request. Maybe Kinggath will add it.

Yeah I added a comment to the original bug report yesterday. Kinggath closed the issue and commented that "WS+ is always cheaty; just don't fly if you don't want healing; maybe restoring rads will get looked at later if this actually fixes the problem."

I'm going to downgrade to 1.0.11 for now.

The only interesting change from 1.0.11 to 1.0.12 was more reliable startup of flight mode when you open the workshop. So then what's the point of that change if I never turn flight mode on because I want to aovid getting a free heal? Besides, flight mode is the only feature of WS+ that I even use. Flying while in build mode isn't cheaty, it's pretty much an almost mandatory QOL change for dealing with placing large assets like ASAM plots.

Having to manually press the fly hotkey every once in a while never really bothered me, and avoiding the "workshop survival death bug" wasn't difficult -- just don't stimpack yourself before you enter the workshop.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

I know this is a free mod, made by someone in their spare time, so I hate to be a complainer and offer no solutions.

So I made a solution:

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I submitted a pull request to Kinggath, so hopefully he can add this to the mod with no extra sweat from his brow.

For those of you curious what the root problem even is (because I realize it is a niche issue):

• In WS+ version 1.0.11 and prior, while you play in survival mode and use Workshop Plus' flight mode and a healing effect is active on your character, you die.
  
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• In WS+ version 1.0.12 this was circumvented by simply removing all rads from the character before entering flight mode. This is a problem for those of us who play survival mode for extra challenge, or even for players who are in regular game modes but like to take advantage of quirky things like Rad Powered.
  
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[Imemine]

The only interesting change from 1.0.11 to 1.0.12 was more reliable startup of flight mode when you open the workshop. So then what's the point of that change if I never turn flight mode on because I want to aovid getting a free heal? Besides, flight mode is the only feature of WS+ that I even use. Flying while in build mode isn't cheaty, it's pretty much an almost mandatory QOL change for dealing with placing large assets like ASAM plots.

I totally agree. I was using Workshop Plus for the same reason and it is not an option anymore for survival mode as long as it does not restore the rads after existing workshop mode.

 

[JStacy337]

I just now noticed this issue as well. Kept thinking it was a side-effect of running with the Heather Casdin mod. I almost always end up siding with the Children of Atom and make extensive use out of their toys (Robes of Atom's Devoted, Rad Powered armor, Inquisitor's Cowl, and Crusader of Atom perk), so this is not a welcome change for me and those that might also side with the Atomites

 

[Unknown Zombie]

I took a break from Fallout 4 and coming back to it to start preparing my install for Ch 3, I realize this pull request is still open, the fix I offered still just hanging in the breeze six months later.

Anyway, anybody who likes to play Survival mode and doesn't want to continue to suffer this, the script with my edit is attached here. Just have your mod manager load it as a loose file in the Scripts\WorkshopPlus folder (or just manually place it there yourself) so it can override the script from the WS+ mod itself (see screenshot below if you don't understand where it goes).



What the edit does is save your rad level to a variable before you enter flight mode, cure your rads so you don't die during flight mode, and finally restores that rad level once you exit flight mode.

 

[SailorM24]

It is a huge cheat, way bigger than I thought it would be. I don't play survival, I build mainly, that is my fun. I have stopped all rads management in game. I used to have rad showers in many settlements, none the past two games. That said I also never experienced this bug. Not complaining but see the importance of the complaint, I sort of like it. Not having to manage rads is convenient, but I will say that if someone ported this for Xbox I would install it and go back to managing rads because it is a challenge in the game and when you remove too many the game becomes less.
Good for you for figuring out a fix.