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Wiki: Gameplay -> Settlements: Additional Info

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@VetaPhoenix You may want to update the wiki to include some details on how city plans level. Sadly, I'm not much help here... Maybe the fine people of this community can add some info to this post?

For WSFW Layouts, you might want to include these links:
WSFW Settlement Import:
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I'll try to take a look at these once I'm done with work later. My spare time, unfortunately, has been kind of limited this week, so far, but I'll make this a priority since I'm seeing a lot of folks asking about it recently (especially with the contest going)
 
This page is outta control lol


Probably need to make it into a section instead of just one page.
 
I have not looked into the contest in detail, but, is F4SE a hard requirement?

Maybe put the part about nif replacement towards the end with a note about being a note for advanced modders? The average city plan builder most likely will not know what a nif is. Prior to last Nov. I would have been in that category as well.

Would Clean my Settlement fall under the "do not use" category? IIRC, you can create a scrap profile, but I have not played with that and do not know the details...

Otherwise, it looks good. There is a ton of useful information there. :agree: Now I have something to link to. :)
 
I think, technically, most mods that clean would fall under that category, but there could be a few that don't that I'm not aware of. I'll add Clean my Settlement.

There is a section -

Using Vanilla & DLC Models (nifs) with Additional Snap Points​

Is that section sort of what you were thinking in regards to nifs? Unfortunately, I'm parroting what was given to me because I have no knowledge of these things (yet).
 
Raze my settlement and clean my settlement are OK to use if I remember correctly. They don't break precombines.
 
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Would Clean my Settlement fall under the "do not use" category? IIRC, you can create a scrap profile, but I have not played with that and do not know the details...
To do a scrap profile you make an export of the untouched settlement and one of the fully scrapped settlement. The web tool handles the rest you just upload the exports in the right spots.
 
Raze my settlement and clean my settlement are OK to use if I remember correctly. They don't break precombines.
Ah yeah, that's the two that @Whisper mentioned, I think? Whisper, what do you think? I added Clean My Settlement to the not ok to use list, but I am only going by what you guys are telling me since I don't actually do these contests. I'll learn it all eventually :)
 
To do a scrap profile you make an export of the untouched settlement and one of the fully scrapped settlement. The web tool handles the rest you just upload the exports in the right spots.
You would have to do this to make a working city plan for any non vanilla settlement.

Sorry for the second post can't delete the other.
 
To do a scrap profile you make an export of the untouched settlement and one of the fully scrapped settlement. The web tool handles the rest you just upload the exports in the right spots.
Is the edit button still at the bottom of your comment? This is kinda like my first day on the Wiki Team where I created a page and then realized it wasn't exactly where and named how I wanted it... went to delete it.. Nope! I had no delete permissions. I was kind of mortified lol Ok, not really like the comment situation, but it makes me laugh to think how worried I got over it.
 
Ok, make sure this reads in a way that makes sense to you guys...

 
@VetaPhoenix I will ask again, is F4SE really required? There is no mention of it on the Contest Assistant Nexus page and I know SS2 and WSFW do not require it. However, Place Everywhere and MCM do require it.
! I found it. It is required for WSFW to do the Export.
Maybe add this link ^^^ to this section:

Looking at "Optional Mods for a Scrapped Settlement" and "DO NOT USE" some clarification may be needed.
@Whisper said
Regarding scrap profiles, these are only needed if:

1/ you are creating a city plan that uses a scrapping mod, like Scrap Everything/Spring Cleaning/etc.

2/ you are creating a city plan for a custom (mod-added) settlement

3/ you are using Settlement-extending mods

The Sim Settlements team has already created profiles for the vanilla game locations. (These include if Place Everywhere is used in enhanced selection mode.)
Maybe change "Optional Mods for a Scrapped Settlement" to "Non Standard Settlements and Scrap Mods" with some text like "using settlement extending and scrap mods will require some extra steps for the city plan to work correctly. More detail can be found here:"
Note- I have not read the contest rules, so I do not know if there are any mods in the above that are against the rules.

Under "Build a Settlement" add a link to
 

Using Vanilla & DLC Models (nifs) with Additional Snap Points​

Is that section sort of what you were thinking in regards to nifs? Unfortunately, I'm parroting what was given to me because I have no knowledge of these things (yet).
What I'm saying is maybe put the whole thing toward the bottom of the page and add a note to the effect of "this is an advanced modding procedure that the majority of city plan builders will not make use of."

Like Kinggath does here:
Note the pretty background. He does this throughout his tutorials to note advanced stuff so n00bs don't feel overwhelmed. ;)
 
Ok, I'm going to preface this by saying... I maybe shouldn't have tried to do this while having my first cup of coffee after waking up lol

I made a bunch of your suggested changes, but there's a pretty good chance that I didn't do them right as late as I stayed up working last night.

The sections about mods to not use and the thing @Whisper wrote about scrap profiles and mentions Scrap Everything has left me a little bit confused. I thought the other scrap mods were a hard NO. Should I change the DO NOT USE section to maybe say DO NOT USE if you are creating a basic city plan and then put the Non-standard Settlements and Scrap Mods bit under that?
 
@msalaba I really appreciate all the guidance, by the way. I'm learning a lot as I edit these pages. One day, I hope to actually thoroughly understand all these topics :)
 
Ok, I'm going to preface this by saying... I maybe shouldn't have tried to do this while having my first cup of coffee after waking up lol

I made a bunch of your suggested changes, but there's a pretty good chance that I didn't do them right as late as I stayed up working last night.

The sections about mods to not use and the thing @Whisper wrote about scrap profiles and mentions Scrap Everything has left me a little bit confused. I thought the other scrap mods were a hard NO. Should I change the DO NOT USE section to maybe say DO NOT USE if you are creating a basic city plan and then put the Non-standard Settlements and Scrap Mods bit under that?
The only hard no scrap mod is scrap everything
 
Ok, the latest edit was this, let me know if this makes sense...


Under "Non-Standard Settlements and Scrap Mods", I changed number 1 to not include Scrap Everything...
  1. You are creating a city plan that uses a scrapping mod, like Spring Cleaning


Then under "DO NOT USE", I altered the first item to...
Scrap Everything or any other unlisted scrapping mods (including Spring Cleaning, if you do not plan to create a scrap profile)

Hoping that would clarify that Spring Cleaning is only in this part if you're not following the instructions above and creating a scrap profile.



I need to understand Spring Cleaning a little more, I've never used it. Let me know y'all's thoughts, please :)
 
The sections about mods to not use and the thing @Whisper wrote about scrap profiles and mentions Scrap Everything has left me a little bit confused. I thought the other scrap mods were a hard NO. Should I change the DO NOT USE section to maybe say DO NOT USE if you are creating a basic city plan and then put the Non-standard Settlements and Scrap Mods bit under that?
Your best bet is to ask on the Discord. Yagisan and Karvoc would likely know 100% for sure. I mostly used my knowledge combined with google to make an educated guess. ;)
I need to understand Spring Cleaning a little more
I guess that makes 2 of us. Reading the description on the Nexus page doesn't really say much to the mechanics of it.
One day, I hope to actually thoroughly understand all these topics
I bow before you! :giver: I wonder if Sim Settlements is the new IRS tax code? No one person can ever know it all. :scratchhead
The only hard no scrap mod is scrap everything
It can be used but with caveats. (mechanically speaking) I do not know what the contest rules state though.
 
Your best bet is to ask on the Discord. Yagisan and Karvoc would likely know 100% for sure. I mostly used my knowledge combined with google to make an educated guess. ;)

I guess that makes 2 of us. Reading the description on the Nexus page doesn't really say much to the mechanics of it.

I bow before you! :giver: I wonder if Sim Settlements is the new IRS tax code? No one person can ever know it all. :scratchhead

It can be used but with caveats. (mechanically speaking) I do not know what the contest rules state though.
Scrap Everything is a no go in the contest in fact it the one hard NO!
 
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