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Question Vault 88 unusual CTD / Strangest bugs I've seen

EmiLady

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Hello, I'm totally new to these forums - and also I'm not a native English speaker so tell me if I make some mistakes and there's something you don't understand - and I really just joined to post this since I didn't know where else to ask about it.
So, (TL;DR) here is my issue : I can't go to Vault 88 anymore, and no it's not the usual CTDs people get there.
Longer version now: if I try and enter it from the quarry, I get a CTD. If I try and enter from the map, I get teleported on a welcome mat in a strange broken vault with loads of missing parts that's floating in a weird void and that's actually located around the interior of Virgil's cave (I get into the cave after falling off and being teleported to it, or if I use the noclip command and walk around that weird place).
I don't really know how it happened and why, I can't find anyone that has that bug (I tried for an hour, searching every key word or phrase I could think of). All I know is it might have happened some time since I left Vault 88 like a dozen or half a dozen hours ago in my save, and the last thing I did there (after a few hours cleaning up the place and try (and failing at) building a vault) was to set up a city planner desk and to chose the vault's overseer to let her build it. And since I only did that and I don't have many mods besides Sim Settlements and its addons (except Conqueror) (Mod Organizer 2 tells me I have 25 plugins or something including base game, DLCs (no Creation Club), Sim Settlements and its addons), I pretty much believe Sim Settlements to be the problem here.
I tried kind of recovering the settlement using the Settlement Recovery Procedure here on these forums (that I previously used to clean up some over-laggy settlements that caused crashes when approaching, like The Castle (but it didn't work and I started a new game, much to my regret, and I'd like to not do that again after so many hours playing...)) but the console tells me that Vault 88's settlement ID (xx000fef) is not recognized or something.
This is driving me insane.
Is there any way to help me at recovering Vault 88 or do I have to stop trying to go there again or do I even have to start yet another save? (And eventually totally stop playing this game that I can't ever complete because of those pesky game-breaking bugs.)
 
do you use any settlement cleaning mods? a long time ago, there were issues with settlement cleaning mods and vault 88.
from what you describe, my only recommendation is to go back to a previous save and hope that the issues you see are not repeating - but - you should be prepared to start a new game as it sounds like the worldspace itself has been compromised and settlement cleaning mods can do that, if you delete too many things that are not meant to by deleted by default.
 
do you use any settlement cleaning mods? a long time ago, there were issues with settlement cleaning mods and vault 88.
from what you describe, my only recommendation is to go back to a previous save and hope that the issues you see are not repeating - but - you should be prepared to start a new game as it sounds like the worldspace itself has been compromised and settlement cleaning mods can do that, if you delete too many things that are not meant to by deleted by default.
No, this isn't the problem people used to have as I said; I don't have any settlement cleaning mod. It appeared to me that I will be forced to start yet another damn save because even when trying to load an older save (and losing a bunch of progression while doing so) I can't find an old enough save when the bug hadn't occurred yet or well it would be almost the same as starting over, but this is really getting to my nerves as I've never really been able to finish this damn game because of game-breaking bugs and save corruptions and stuff, and I know how Fallout 4 ends just because I spoiled myself not because I played it because it's impossible, every time something odd happens and wont let me play...
If it helps, here is my list of mods exported from Mod Organizer 2 and as you see I don't have a lot and they're not known for causing bugs (it even includes UFO4P which, well, fixes stuff) and I can't find any conflict between them :
#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name,#Note,#Primary_Category,#Nexus_ID,#Mod_Nexus_URL,#Mod_Version,#Install_Date,#Download_File_Name
"0000","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:39:30",""
"0001","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0002","+","DLC: Nuka-World","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:41:15",""
"0003","+","DLC: Far Harbor","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0004","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0005","+","DLC: Automatron","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:39:27",""
"0006","+","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch","","Bugfixes",4598,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598","2.1.1.0a","2020/10/29 14:50:22","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch-4598-2-1-1a-1589393826.7z"
"0007","+","UFO4P Traduction Fr","","Bugfixes",41447,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/41447","UF04P211aFRX","2020/10/29 14:52:00","UF04P211aFRX-41447-UF04P211aFRX-1589303981.zip"
"0008","+","Achievements","","Utilities",12465,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12465","1.0.5.0","2020/10/01 01:35:29","Achievements v1-0-5-12465-1-0-5.7z"
"0009","+","Mod Configuration Menu","","UI",21497,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21497","1.39.0.0","2020/10/11 05:22:43","Mod Configuration Menu 1.39-21497-1-39-1575706632.zip"
"0010","+","Settlement Menu Manager","","Miscellaneous",24204,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/24204","0.1.7.0","2020/10/02 01:50:40","SettlementMenuManagerMainFile-24204-0-1-7-1593282850.7z"
"0011","+","HUDFramework","","UI",20309,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20309","1.0.0.0f","2020/10/01 01:35:34","HUDFramework 1.0f-20309-1-0f.zip"
"0012","+","Workshop Framework","","Settlements",35004,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/35004","2.0.3.0","2020/10/01 01:37:13","Workshop Framework v2.0.3-35004-2-0-3-1598627074.7z"
"0013","+","Address Library for F4SE Plugins","","Utilities",47327,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/47327","1.10.163.0","2020/10/29 00:18:59","Addres Library-47327-1-10-163-0-1599728753.zip"
"0014","+","Extended Dialogue Interface aka XDI","","UI",27216,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/27216","1.3.6.0","2020/10/22 10:41:30","Extended Dialogue Interface 1.3.6-27216-1-3-6-1575706721.zip"
"0015","+","Baka ScrapHeap - Script Memory Limit Expander","","Utilities",46340,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/46340","1.2.0.0","2020/10/29 00:21:47","Baka ScrapHeap-46340-1-2-1602229502.7z"
"0016","+","Place Everywhere","","Settlements",9424,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9424","1.18.0.1163","2020/10/21 18:45:38","Place (Fallout4 1.10.163 - latest release)-9424-1-18-0-1163-1575581603.7z"
"0017","+","Faster Workshop (Workshop Lag Fix)","","Body, Face, & Hair",35382,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/35382","1.1.0.0","2020/10/21 21:28:56","Faster Workshop 1.1-35382-1-1-1539871573.zip"
"0018","+","Salvage Beacons","","Settlements",18757,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/18757","1.0.4.0","2020/10/29 16:37:42","Salvage Beacons 1.0.4-18757-1-0-4-1588958551.7z"
"0019","+","Sim Settlements","","",21872,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21872","4.2.9.0a","2020/10/29 15:12:51","Sim Settlements Three-in-One v4.2.9a-21872-4-2-9a-1598632886.7z"
"0020","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year One","","Companions",30396,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/30396","1.0.5.0","2020/10/29 16:38:06","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year One 1.0.5-30396-1-0-5-1542914873.7z"
"0021","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year Two","","Companions",37983,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/37983","1.0.2.0a","2020/10/29 16:38:44","Sim Settlements - MegaPack Year 2 v 1.0.2a-37983-1-0-2a-1574448819.7z"
"0022","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year Three","","Companions",43718,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/43718","1.0.0.0","2020/10/29 16:38:56","Sim Settlements - MegaPack Year 3 v1.0.0-43718-1-0-0-1583896513.7z"
"0023","+","Sim Settlements - IDEK's Logistics Station","","Companions",28945,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28945","1.3.5.0a","2020/10/29 16:41:13","IDEK's Logistics Station-28945-1-3-5a-1598869164.7z"
"0024","+","Sim Settlements - Nobody's Leaders","","Companions",40857,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/40857","1.6.0.0","2020/10/29 16:44:18","Robot Repairs (Update)-40857-1-6-1586013805.zip"
"0025","+","Generator Fusebox","","Home/Settlement",12258,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12258","1.1.0.0","2020/10/02 02:13:59","Generator Fusebox - More realistic version-12258-1-1.rar"
"0026","+","Better Shack Bridges","","Home/Settlement",8905,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8905","1.41.0.0","2020/10/11 05:00:06","Better Shack Bridges-8905-1-41.zip"
"0027","+","Better Junk Fences","","Home/Settlement",9000,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9000","1.3.0.0","2020/10/11 05:00:14","Better Junk Fences-9000-1-3.zip"
"0028","+","The Duchess - Ship Settlement","","Settlements",38271,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/38271",".91b","2020/10/21 22:00:12","The Duchess-38271-v-91b-1554181651.7z"
"0029","+","The Danse Dilemma (pka Face Maxson etc.)","","Quests",21923,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21923","2.9.0.0","2020/10/22 10:34:19","FaceMaxsonV2_9-21923-2-9.7z"
"0030","+","Shackin' Up - A Sim Settlements Prefab Shack Mod","","Home/Settlement",45638,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/45638","1.1.6.0","2020/10/29 16:41:21","Shackin' Up-45638-1-1-6-1598632187.7z"

I can also add a couple videos showing the problems I have.
Really, I dream of being able to play through Fallout 4's main quest at least once, please someone help. I already realized I can't use most city plans and some plot plans from Sim Settlements (so I have little use of it, but, I still enjoy building settlements a bit and most plots work and I kinda can't play with the same pleasure if I don't use most of the mods I use, which aren't even numerous) because some have visual problems, produce too much lag (some city plans reduce FPS to 1 or 2, maximum 10 when not too close from the settlement but it's still visible) or just plain CTDs (Sanctuary Hills had that, but I could fix it with the Settlement Recovery Procedure; same with Greentop Nursery; but using a city plan for The Castle just produced un-fixable CTDs, and that's game-breaking since I have to go back there in the storyline) and anyway with Sim Settlements on settlers are mostly bugged and most of the time won't move at all around settlements (and that breaks some plots like stores a lot as the settlers wont go to their shops and become merchants), despite I have a GL62M7REX computer from MSI, which is not a top-tier high-end computer but is still really good (I can play games like GTA5 with beautiful and fluid graphics and stable high FPS) but I can't play Fallout 4 somehow, and I love Fallout, and this situation is really frustrating.
 
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Oh, another bug I have with my setup is I get CTDs when going to Diamond City about half of the time. Not every time, but a little often. That's weird and mildly annoying as I have to restart and load a save just before that, but not game-breaking so I don't really care about this particular problem.
 
Verify ur game files

Are you using Complex City plans? try optimized if you are.

V88 is a hot mess of a settlement and lost have had problems with it even without a city plan. May be best not to use the cp for it and just free build in there.
 
Verify ur game files

Are you using Complex City plans? try optimized if you are.

V88 is a hot mess of a settlement and lost have had problems with it even without a city plan. May be best not to use the cp for it and just free build in there.
Verify game files like in Steam? Is this necessary after a complete reinstall?
I don't use complex city plans, I anticipated they would crush my game even more lol. I only use the base city plans provided with the mod, in fact there seems to be only one city plan per settlement (and not all settlements have plans) anyway so I go with default.
 
btw I forgot to share the videos of my bugs, here they are (click on the player, there are two vids)
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I've only ever seen that, or something like it once before with Vault 88 and it was with settlement cleaning mods and another mod that removed objects from the world, thus chaning pre-vis. The end result was I lost that game and had to start over.
Can you share your load order, there may be a mod there that is causing your issues, but you should be prepared to start a new game.
 
Yeah i made V88 disappear once on a new game so giv Verify on steam a go.

As 1ae0bfb8 says its most likely a cleaning mod or scrap mod , if you have scrap everythingget rid of it and see what happens and u will prolly need to start a new game.
 
Really feeling like:
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I added my mod list and load order on a previous message, there:
No, this isn't the problem people used to have as I said; I don't have any settlement cleaning mod. It appeared to me that I will be forced to start yet another damn save because even when trying to load an older save (and losing a bunch of progression while doing so) I can't find an old enough save when the bug hadn't occurred yet or well it would be almost the same as starting over, but this is really getting to my nerves as I've never really been able to finish this damn game because of game-breaking bugs and save corruptions and stuff, and I know how Fallout 4 ends just because I spoiled myself not because I played it because it's impossible, every time something odd happens and wont let me play...
If it helps, here is my list of mods exported from Mod Organizer 2 and as you see I don't have a lot and they're not known for causing bugs (it even includes UFO4P which, well, fixes stuff) and I can't find any conflict between them :
#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name,#Note,#Primary_Category,#Nexus_ID,#Mod_Nexus_URL,#Mod_Version,#Install_Date,#Download_File_Name
"0000","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:39:30",""
"0001","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0002","+","DLC: Nuka-World","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:41:15",""
"0003","+","DLC: Far Harbor","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0004","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:40:12",""
"0005","+","DLC: Automatron","","",-1,"","","2020/10/29 14:39:27",""
"0006","+","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch","","Bugfixes",4598,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598","2.1.1.0a","2020/10/29 14:50:22","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch-4598-2-1-1a-1589393826.7z"
"0007","+","UFO4P Traduction Fr","","Bugfixes",41447,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/41447","UF04P211aFRX","2020/10/29 14:52:00","UF04P211aFRX-41447-UF04P211aFRX-1589303981.zip"
"0008","+","Achievements","","Utilities",12465,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12465","1.0.5.0","2020/10/01 01:35:29","Achievements v1-0-5-12465-1-0-5.7z"
"0009","+","Mod Configuration Menu","","UI",21497,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21497","1.39.0.0","2020/10/11 05:22:43","Mod Configuration Menu 1.39-21497-1-39-1575706632.zip"
"0010","+","Settlement Menu Manager","","Miscellaneous",24204,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/24204","0.1.7.0","2020/10/02 01:50:40","SettlementMenuManagerMainFile-24204-0-1-7-1593282850.7z"
"0011","+","HUDFramework","","UI",20309,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20309","1.0.0.0f","2020/10/01 01:35:34","HUDFramework 1.0f-20309-1-0f.zip"
"0012","+","Workshop Framework","","Settlements",35004,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/35004","2.0.3.0","2020/10/01 01:37:13","Workshop Framework v2.0.3-35004-2-0-3-1598627074.7z"
"0013","+","Address Library for F4SE Plugins","","Utilities",47327,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/47327","1.10.163.0","2020/10/29 00:18:59","Addres Library-47327-1-10-163-0-1599728753.zip"
"0014","+","Extended Dialogue Interface aka XDI","","UI",27216,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/27216","1.3.6.0","2020/10/22 10:41:30","Extended Dialogue Interface 1.3.6-27216-1-3-6-1575706721.zip"
"0015","+","Baka ScrapHeap - Script Memory Limit Expander","","Utilities",46340,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/46340","1.2.0.0","2020/10/29 00:21:47","Baka ScrapHeap-46340-1-2-1602229502.7z"
"0016","+","Place Everywhere","","Settlements",9424,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9424","1.18.0.1163","2020/10/21 18:45:38","Place (Fallout4 1.10.163 - latest release)-9424-1-18-0-1163-1575581603.7z"
"0017","+","Faster Workshop (Workshop Lag Fix)","","Body, Face, & Hair",35382,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/35382","1.1.0.0","2020/10/21 21:28:56","Faster Workshop 1.1-35382-1-1-1539871573.zip"
"0018","+","Salvage Beacons","","Settlements",18757,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/18757","1.0.4.0","2020/10/29 16:37:42","Salvage Beacons 1.0.4-18757-1-0-4-1588958551.7z"
"0019","+","Sim Settlements","","",21872,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21872","4.2.9.0a","2020/10/29 15:12:51","Sim Settlements Three-in-One v4.2.9a-21872-4-2-9a-1598632886.7z"
"0020","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year One","","Companions",30396,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/30396","1.0.5.0","2020/10/29 16:38:06","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year One 1.0.5-30396-1-0-5-1542914873.7z"
"0021","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year Two","","Companions",37983,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/37983","1.0.2.0a","2020/10/29 16:38:44","Sim Settlements - MegaPack Year 2 v 1.0.2a-37983-1-0-2a-1574448819.7z"
"0022","+","Sim Settlements Mega Pack - Year Three","","Companions",43718,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/43718","1.0.0.0","2020/10/29 16:38:56","Sim Settlements - MegaPack Year 3 v1.0.0-43718-1-0-0-1583896513.7z"
"0023","+","Sim Settlements - IDEK's Logistics Station","","Companions",28945,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28945","1.3.5.0a","2020/10/29 16:41:13","IDEK's Logistics Station-28945-1-3-5a-1598869164.7z"
"0024","+","Sim Settlements - Nobody's Leaders","","Companions",40857,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/40857","1.6.0.0","2020/10/29 16:44:18","Robot Repairs (Update)-40857-1-6-1586013805.zip"
"0025","+","Generator Fusebox","","Home/Settlement",12258,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12258","1.1.0.0","2020/10/02 02:13:59","Generator Fusebox - More realistic version-12258-1-1.rar"
"0026","+","Better Shack Bridges","","Home/Settlement",8905,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8905","1.41.0.0","2020/10/11 05:00:06","Better Shack Bridges-8905-1-41.zip"
"0027","+","Better Junk Fences","","Home/Settlement",9000,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9000","1.3.0.0","2020/10/11 05:00:14","Better Junk Fences-9000-1-3.zip"
"0028","+","The Duchess - Ship Settlement","","Settlements",38271,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/38271",".91b","2020/10/21 22:00:12","The Duchess-38271-v-91b-1554181651.7z"
"0029","+","The Danse Dilemma (pka Face Maxson etc.)","","Quests",21923,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21923","2.9.0.0","2020/10/22 10:34:19","FaceMaxsonV2_9-21923-2-9.7z"
"0030","+","Shackin' Up - A Sim Settlements Prefab Shack Mod","","Home/Settlement",45638,"https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/45638","1.1.6.0","2020/10/29 16:41:21","Shackin' Up-45638-1-1-6-1598632187.7z"

I can also add a couple videos showing the problems I have.
Really, I dream of being able to play through Fallout 4's main quest at least once, please someone help. I already realized I can't use most city plans and some plot plans from Sim Settlements (so I have little use of it, but, I still enjoy building settlements a bit and most plots work and I kinda can't play with the same pleasure if I don't use most of the mods I use, which aren't even numerous) because some have visual problems, produce too much lag (some city plans reduce FPS to 1 or 2, maximum 10 when not too close from the settlement but it's still visible) or just plain CTDs (Sanctuary Hills had that, but I could fix it with the Settlement Recovery Procedure; same with Greentop Nursery; but using a city plan for The Castle just produced un-fixable CTDs, and that's game-breaking since I have to go back there in the storyline) and anyway with Sim Settlements on settlers are mostly bugged and most of the time won't move at all around settlements (and that breaks some plots like stores a lot as the settlers wont go to their shops and become merchants), despite I have a GL62M7REX computer from MSI, which is not a top-tier high-end computer but is still really good (I can play games like GTA5 with beautiful and fluid graphics and stable high FPS) but I can't play Fallout 4 somehow, and I love Fallout, and this situation is really frustrating.
 
Yeah i made V88 disappear once on a new game so giv Verify on steam a go.

As 1ae0bfb8 says its most likely a cleaning mod or scrap mod , if you have scrap everythingget rid of it and see what happens and u will prolly need to start a new game.
I just tried going back to V88 without verifying my files again and it isn't broken in my new save :agree:
 
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