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Upgrading to advanced power plot produces less then a level 3 basic - oversight?

AtomicWedgie

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I'm not worried, I can easily compensate for this for the time being, but in the cases of both agricultural and water plots, an upgrade from a level 3 basic to a level 1 advanced has (unless I'm sorely mistaken) produced slightly more food and water respectively.

I just upgraded my level 3 power plot (SS2 Generator Station) to the advanced SS2 Coalplant and went from 110 to 95 (operated by Hesper if it matters). This seems counter-intuitive to me... I would expect a tiny bit more power than previously with the larger benefits then coming in as it upgrades later.
 
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Yeah I'd have thought it should be a direct upgrade too, even if only by a point or two. I'll give that a look.
 
Alright, just went and tested that myself. Force spawned a settler and console-commanded their INT to 5 (the min.requirement for Advanced Power).

First image shows that 5-INT settler working a level 3 Basic Power plant.
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Second image shows that same 5-INT settler working a Level 1 Advanced power plant.
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The "patch notes" from when the numbers changes went in says it should be "break even" at minimum requirements, not an outright downgrade. I'll pass this on.

(my 'see how it feels in actual play' save hit level 56 today and legitimately still hadn't unlocked Advanced Power so I hadn't noticed this one - the unlock requirement on unique settler "Archon" is not something I would ever hit without going out of my way to deliberately trigger it)
 
Thanks for confirming, I guess it must have slipped through the net, so to speak.

I'm curious though when you say the unlock requirement for Archon is something you'd never hit normally. According to the wiki: Settlement with a Radio Beacon, 70 or higher Happiness, and 5 or more Industrial plots as well as being over level 20 seems a fairly low requirement to me or have I misunderstood?
 
As best I can figure out, he requires you have 5 Industrial plots all in the one settlement. That's the only time he's ever spawned for me. Not total across your trade network.
Either that or I have the most impossibly bad RNG rolls for him spawning.
 
Right, that would explain it then. My current network is built up on the basis of focused productions sites, industry only, food only, commercial only etc. you get the idea... and Archon showed his extraordinarily green face in one of those industrial sites.

I want to say that in my previous play-through he popped up in a settlement which only had 4 industrial plots, but I can't do so with 100% conviction :)
 
Yeah, my 'general' play style spreads the Industry out across various settlements; until I get my trade network spread out enough to connect Vault 88 in, at which point that gets turned into a mega-production centre.

... maybe I should start down there, Murkwater or Jamaica Plain for the 'starter' settlement, the other being the one Stodge And Pals get. Can't remember how many others are within Caravan reach that far south except The Castle, though...
 
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Yeah, my 'general' play style spreads the Industry out across various settlements; until I get my trade network spread out enough to connect Vault 88 in, at which point that gets turned into a mega-production centre.

... maybe I should start down there, Murkwater or Jamaica Plain for the 'starter' settlement, the other being the one Stodge And Pals get. Can't remember how many others are within Caravan reach that far south except The Castle, though...
I absolutely do not recommend having your start starting settlement be anything other then sanctuary. SS2 just keeps bugging out any time its not Sanctuary. Moving the main settlement to another after the fact tho, I can recommend that. (Mine is at starlight for the record)
 
I absolutely do not recommend having your start starting settlement be anything other then sanctuary. SS2 just keeps bugging out any time its not Sanctuary. Moving the main settlement to another after the fact tho, I can recommend that. (Mine is at starlight for the record)
Yes any time I started that it wasn’t sanctuary and it never ran quite right. Quest markers was in different places and stuff. Think it’s set up that it will start in sanctuary cause like 90% of people start this fresh out of the vault. Never tried moving main settlement after the fact though.
 
As best I can figure out, he requires you have 5 Industrial plots all in the one settlement. That's the only time he's ever spawned for me. Not total across your trade network.
Either that or I have the most impossibly bad RNG rolls for him spawning.
So how many AG plots do you build for the first 8 settlers that you can't drop 5 Industrial plots right at the start? It can't take more than 2 to feed them all
 
I've used places other than Sanctuary to start things plenty of times, the only issues are having to keep in mind that Jake (and Paul) have to be able to path back to Concord, and that a lot of the writing assumes you are still in that northwest quadrant of the map.

So how many AG plots do you build for the first 8 settlers that you can't drop 5 Industrial plots right at the start? It can't take more than 2 to feed them all
Let me try this post again.

That Unlock Requirement is number of plots, not number of people working that job, so multi-occupant Industrials (like say Yagisan Industries from Superstructures addon) only count as 1, not 2-5. And by the time things are leveled enough to attract Visitors/Uniques, I have rearranged things at Main to use those plus shifted people to working Martial/Municipal, so that requirement is no longer being met.
 
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Just an update on this; it appears to do it for Martial, too? I may have read those patch notes wrong all along, since according to that Water plots should do it as well; did it do this before The Rebalancing?
And if it is intended, why do Agriculturals not do it then?
 
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And if it is intended
Kinggath posted a spreadsheet that contained the base production/consumption by plot subtype for the re-balance.
 
a spreadsheet that contained the base production/consumption by plot subtype for the re-balance
Alright yeah it didn't do it before The Rebalancing. Makes me think it has to be deliberate.
 
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