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Dark Outland Outfit Causing CTD?

Reconphil

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Here is my issue; Using Buffout 4 my game CTD's to desktop shortly after I begin combat. I get an "Unhandled exception "EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION" at 0x7FF6E3363604 Fallout4.exe+0733604" (these vary). What appears most prominent in that error is (BSTempEffectGeometryDecal*), so I started looking at BodySlide issues & clothing/armor issues. I went to a minimum mod game which, at one point didn't have SS2 loaded, so the character was in different clothing/nude. In that state, there was no CTD. After quite some time & more investigation, I narrowed it down to the Dark Outlander outfit, which, using XEdit I eventually found in SS2 (I didn't know it was part of that mod). Going back into the game, I stripped myself & my companions of the Dark Outlander outfit & put on a random outfit, in this case, Grognak's for myself & my companions. So far, no CTD. I have to test it further, but if that is the case, the game is not able to adjust (if that is the right word) to this outfit. It also doesn't appear in the BodySlide. My best guess is that somehow FO4 is looking for BodySlide files for Dark Outlander & there are none, so it crashes. Is this possible? Any thoughts?
 
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There are some NPCs that have custom outfits, so I knew that SS2 does in fact add accessories/clothing/armor. How did you come by the dark outlander outfit itself, because to the best of my knowledge only that NPC can spawn with his/her outfit.
 
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Muddball said:
There are some NPCs that have custom outfits, so I knew that SS2 does in fact add accessories/clothing/armor. How did you come by the dark outlander outfit itself, because to the best of my knowledge only that NPC can spawn with his/her outfit.
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I'm not sure. I may have looted a body. It appeared in my inventory at one point, it looked good & substantial so I began wearing it. Which character has the Dark Outlander outfit?
 
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Is this the one? That's the only apparel item showing up by that name for me. That's from "Sneake", one of the Unique Settlers. As you can see it's working fine for me with Default Nate.

Those guys are meant to all be set as "Protected", meaning (in theory) only you the player can actually kill them...
 

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yaugieLC said:
Is this the one? That's the only apparel item showing up by that name for me. That's from "Sneake", one of the Unique Settlers. As you can see it's working fine for me with Default Nate.

Those guys are meant to all be set as "Protected", meaning (in theory) only you the player can actually kill them...
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That looks like it. I encountered Sneake at the Slog. I think he's the one that wanted to fight me. I tried fighting him but, my companion jumped in & shot him. After that he became a pain in the ass. Every time I encountered him he want to fight or he was doing something to be annoying. I don't remember exactly, so I think I killed him. That may be where I acquired the outfit. In any case, once I got rid of it, no more CTDs.
 
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Antoine Soverie said:
Did you try getting in combat while wearing it, does it still CTD?
Side note, Sneake looks better in it :unknw
Still not sure why some settler outfits cause CTDs, like this or Randy's or Darsenia's...
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That was the problem. I CTD every time I engaged in combat with the Dark Outlander outfit on. Once I got rid of it I had no problem with CTD's. I have been playing for an hour & a half with no CTD both in & out of combat. I am no longer wearing the Dark Outlander outfit.
 
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Antoine Soverie said:
Still not sure why some settler outfits cause CTDs
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To be technical, if the nif (mesh) file is not setup correctly, it can cause CTDs. There is a lot of stuff in these files and if something is not what the game expects... poof.

If you have Buffout 4, there should be a line in the crash log with bs something node and the editor ID of the base object. (in this case it would be the ID of Sneake's armor)

Either way, many of these outfits that cause CTDs have been reported. I suspect they will not be looked at until after chapter 2 is released and the normal patch schedule resumes.

So, for the time being, don't wear Sneake's outfit and don't shoot Randy Adams...
 
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Reconphil said:
I CTD every time I engaged in combat with the Dark Outlander outfit on.
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Did you try this without CBBE installed? If this happens with only SS2 and it's requirements installed, I will submit it as a bug. Otherwise I'm going to assume it's a mod conflict.
 
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msalaba said:
Did you enter combat? Did it CTD? Inquiring minds would like to know... (fancy way of saying I'm too lazy to do it myself...)
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Just did a quicksave-and-console-it-in on the save I am on right now (Default Nora on this one) and started blastin' in the Diamond City Market... no CTD, at least in the time it took the entire town to kill me.

(stats on that outfit are damn nice btw: 37 Phys, 65 Energy, 5 Rad, +2 Luck)
 
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msalaba said:
Did you try this without CBBE installed? If this happens with only SS2 and it's requirements installed, I will submit it as a bug. Otherwise I'm going to assume it's a mod conflict.
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I have not tried it without CBBE installed however; I CTD every time I engaged in combat with the Dark Outlander outfit on. Once I got rid of it I had no problem with CTD's. I have been playing for an hour & a half with no CTD both in & out of combat. I am no longer wearing the Dark Outlander outfit. Buffout 4 log has [RSP+160] 0x7FF6E8818B48 (BSJobs::JobThread*) and in another one [RSP+30 ] 0x2DE21D38F00 (BSTempEffectGeometryDecal*). That is when I began to suspect BodySlide. In retrospect it was dumb not to in the first place but, I am not a mod builder. Others were telling me it might be blood decals & such. Nothing worked. As I posted at the top, once I minimized all my mods, then reintroduced them, I came up with the Dark Outlander problem. Take out the Dark outlander outfit & no CTD. I can't explain it since there is no Dark Outlander outfit in BodySlide. My hypothesis is, the game puts in a call for the DO nif which doesn't exist, poof, CTD. Either the DO outfit shouldn't be lootable, or it has to be changed. Way beyond my skills.
 
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Reconphil said:
Either the DO outfit shouldn't be lootable
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It shouldn't be lootable. Sneake only fights you during his "quest", you beat him with your fists and that's it. After that I believe he's immortal unless you play with mortal settlers. So something went wrong there.
He may not be immortal but this one time I had a massive settlement attack at night, couldn't see much and unloaded a ton of bullets in his back. That didn't kill him but now that I think about it, it's not much of an argument.
 
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Antoine Soverie said:
It shouldn't be lootable. Sneake only fights you during his "quest", you beat him with your fists and that's it. After that I believe he's immortal unless you play with mortal settlers. So something went wrong there.
He may not be immortal but this one time I had a massive settlement attack at night, couldn't see much and unloaded a ton of bullets in his back. That didn't kill him but now that I think about it, it's not much of an argument.
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I play with a lot of mods & have mortal settlers too. Sneake wanted to fight & my companion(s) attacked him. It broke the quest & he kept wanting to fight or he went into a useless loop of dialog. I don't remember. To be honest, SS2 is so seamless, I can't tell what is what, not a bad thing. Anyway, I looted his outfit. I didn't even remember where it came from. I finally found it in XEdit with the form ID. I suspected SS2 because when I unloaded it, my character & companions were nude, went into combat & no CTD. Afterward I got rid of DO & no CTD.
 
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Muddball said:
Oh. So this is the real culprit then.

Altho we really should check the outfits of settlers to make sure they do not drop as loot
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I wouldn't say that is the real culprit. That may be what led to getting the outfit, but the fact that donning the outfit causes a CTD is a problem. The D.O. outfit should be made to react like any other BodySlide, CBBE clothing so the game will recognize it, or it should be unwearable, similar to some of the SuperMutant outfits or the adults & children's inability to swap outfits.
 
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Reconphil said:
I wouldn't say that is the real culprit. That may be what led to getting the outfit, but the fact that donning the outfit causes a CTD is a problem.
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Agree. The main problem is CTDs from certain outfits. Quest fight bugging out is another issue. While Sneake should only fist fight in the quest, stuff like that occasionally happens. I had the fist fight with Ronnie Shaw ruined in a simillar manner once, not sure what happened there but Preston started shooting at me and so did the entire Castle.
 
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